AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[BoeingBoy]

Hey idiot boy....go read the term sheet.....who pays for those pay protections ???
God.....if only you were really as smart as you think you are!!

NICDOA
NPJB

What's it like in la-la land? You spend so much time there it must seem wonderful. Now, the only term sheet is the one AA is about to impose on AA pilots. And you really think the answer lies there???

Jim

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Otter: " Tell me when my CURRENT TA goes away with company?"

14 days after the MOU vote opens.

Greeter

 

[EastUS1]

What's it like in la-la land?

I've personally no honest idea on that. Do keep us all informed. I'm still amazed by your "You have no idea" of the vast numbers of "military cockpits" you've, and I quote "strappen into" ..when in truth you were never even a military aviator at any time in what passes for your "life". In any case; It's still a very few years 'till I join the retired ranks, and it will be, well NEVER, before I can understand then maintaining an obsession with past airline employment....much less pathetically find myself vainly striving to establish faux military "credentials" as a wannabe, or continuously attacking my prior coworkers at every turn.

I've honestly suggested that you seek professional help for your strange little issues. You've clearly not done so.

 

[EastUS1]

Otter: " Tell me when my CURRENT TA goes away with company?"

14 days after the MOU vote opens.

Greeter

Please expand on any/all details Greeter. No disrespect meant at all sir, but, the glaring lack of universal understanding of this mou could use some help methinks. I'm extremely hard pressed to see what's so great as to offset the huge and glaring concessions, but I'd think, regardless of my being down for a recalcitrant NO vote, that rational debate would be facilitated by explanation of the details.

 

[OTTER574]

Otter: " Tell me when my CURRENT TA goes away with company?"

14 days after the MOU vote opens.

Greeter

Read it again smart guy without your foggy usapa anti NIC eyes.

Parts of the TA the company wants modified....NOTHING in the mou changes the company and it's LEGAL responsibility regarding what they signed/paid/accepted called the NIC in OUR CURRENT TA.

Vote no, because the company wants you to.

jerry glass/company is laughing their ass's off because of idiots like you.

OTTER

 

[Walmartgreeter]

EstUS1 asked: "Please expand on any/all details Greeter. No disrespect meant at all sir, but, the glaring lack of universal understanding of this mou could use some help methinks. I'm extremely hard pressed to see what's so great as to offset the concessions, but I'd think rational debate would be facilitatied by explanation of the details"

Point taken, and thanks for the "no disrespect." You are correct, there is a great lack of understanding of the MOU. I am not the one to explain it all, I think the NAC and hired help will do a fine job of that going forward. It is not a perfect document, but it covers most of the bases and will at least keep us in the game. As to concessions, I can see the argument, but I think the maximum benefit has been generated out of our very smalll leverage.

It is my personal belief that the M/B language in the MOU replaces the ALPA merger language in the T/A. The 3 legs of the stool (U/AWA/US Airways) were replaced by 2 legs (USAPA and Parker) in 2008. No more ALPA policy, now M/B (if the MOU is approved by ALL members East and West.)

But who cares? (I really don't) We were going nowhere for a long time. M/B opens doors for all parties, and I don't have a clue who will prevail. But I do know we will all be getting (pre DAL upgrade) industry standard pay while it is decided.

I don't have enough hair nor time to worry too much.

Greeter

 

[OTTER574]

Please expand on any/all details Greeter. No disrespect meant at all sir, but, the glaring lack of universal understanding of this mou could use some help methinks. I'm extremely hard pressed to see what's so great as to offset the huge and glaring concessions, but I'd think, regardless of my being down for a recalcitrant NO vote, that rational debate would be facilitated by explanation of the details.

Remind me and all how much east alpa/usapa has saved the company going forward?

Even I could do bular/al job with slicks like you.

I know it's big $$ but a eastus1 statement will mean a lot.

OTTER

 

[BoeingBoy]

I've personally no honest idea on that.

Really? Being neighbors with Barrister in that fantasy world you must be blind and deaf (which would explain a lot)

I'm still amazed by your "You have no idea" of the vast numbers of "military cockpits" you've, and I quote "strappen into" ..when in truth you were never even a military aviator at any time in what passes for your "life". In any case;

Poor Eastthinkshe's#1. Still can't get over being wrong about those little three letters "o-n-e". I never claimed to be a military aviator - that's your wet noodle brain that came up with that.

I've honestly suggested that you seek professional help for your strange little issues.

"Honestly" suggested??? At least you're funny at times. But so is a chimp...

Jim

 

[EastUS1]

I don't have enough hair nor time to worry too much.

Understood and agreed with here..although I've yet kept some hair 😉 I guess it'll come out during road shows and subsequent correspondence. Perhaps it's still a bit early to be seriously fretting over this at all.

For myself? = I can't see any real daylight in other than a no vote with such massive concessions.

 

[EastUS1]

"Honestly" suggested??? At least you're funny at times. But so is a chimp...

Jim

Yes "Honestly". You've some clinically interesting, but debilitating issues and should deal with them. Your quality and enjoyment of life could improve considerably.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

EstUS1 asked:
. I am not the one to explain. It is not a perfect document, but it covers most of the bases and will at least keep us in the game. As to concessions, I can see the argument,

It is my personal belief

But who cares? (I really don't) We were going nowhere for a long time. M/B opens doors for all parties, and I don't have a clue who will prevail. But I do know we will all be getting (pre DAL upgrade) industry standard pay while it is decided.

I don't have enough hair nor time to worry too much.

Greeter

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOkay!

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Otter said: "Remind me and all how much east alpa/usapa has saved the company going forward?"

I cannot, because we did not save anything. In fact, AAA, USAIR, US Airways managed to avoid BK and become one of the most money making airlines in the world during the 80's and early 90's. Over 50 years of business. And AWA was poster child for deregulation success. And then there was that whole airplanes flying into buildings.

Lucky to be here. Glad they (Lakefield and Parker?) were able to stich us together to maintain a living entity.

I can personally assure you the APA pilots should once again unite us, even though we have a bad history. They are, for lack of a better phrase, a beast at bay.

Greeter

 

[BoeingBoy]

For myself? = I can't see any real daylight in other than a no vote with such massive concessions.

Seems that despite your talk about discussing the MOU your mind is closed to anything that contradicts your pre-conceived notions...par for the course.

Jim

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Otter said: "Remind me and all how much east alpa/usapa has saved the company going forward?"

I cannot, because we did not save anything. In fact, AAA, USAIR, US Airways managed to avoid BK and become one of the most money making airlines in the world

Lucky to be here. Glad they (Lakefield and Parker?) were able to stich us together to maintain a living entity.

I can personally assure you the APA pilots should once again unite us, even though we have a bad history. They are, for lack of a better phrase, a beast at bay.

Greeter

Made money off LABOR's BACKS your begging is as pathetic as HUMMELS! That TWA unity is alive and well also!

 

[EastUS1]

Seems that despite your talk about discussing the MOU your mind is closed to anything that contradicts your pre-conceived notions...par for the course.

Jim

I've yet to be, and would have to become greatly impressed with proof that perceived gains would outweigh the potentially massive losses. This hasn't yet happened. Should my postion become unreasonable in the light of yet unseen and unknown facts....I'd rethink my position. If that seems entirely unreasonable to you..well..why should I, or anyone involved care what you "think"? You're long since out of all this, not personally effected by it, and can't so much as cast a vote.