AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Phoenix]

Maybe Parker needs to go talk to his buddies at Delta NWA CAL and UAL and learn how to put together a merger?!?!?!

If we vote the MOU land grab into existence, they need to come to Parker for Merger 101.

 

[nic4us]

He had to get him as he was bought and paid for,there was much more work to be done for Franke Air. Pensions to take, international scabbing operations to man, pay scales to take down.

He also resigned the chairmanship.... would not want to look like he was bought.

But, speaking of bought....your boyfriend Cleary sure has you whipped.

 

[nic4us]

Parker will fail in this one also, number six. There is a lot of money to be made here with low hanging fruit. Parker is just not cut out of the material it takes to run a large airline successfully. It takes more than fleecing and demoralizing employees and charging extra for bags after the rest of the industry does it. Parker has not had an original thought other than attacking his employees.
The rest of his Franke air division will have to accept they will get their seniority in a decent and acceptable fashion, as the rest of the employees have. The AWA pilots have been a total embarrassment to the company in their seniority land grab. After the AA deal crashes, it will all be over.

Um...hey idiot...AWA was the first to get food service back on board after 911...the bag fee was LCC's idea, and the only thing you have gotten right in the last year or so is brushing your teeth after your dates with Cleary.

 

[A320 Driver]

Wrong again, my beef with you is you trying to persuade guys how to vote because you want a raise before punching out.

You vote any way you like. I am a long way from retirement. I have been trying to stop the flow of misinformation. I see now that I am wasting my time.

How long have you been in the left seat?

Probably a lot longer than you have worked here.

Want to compare w2s?

Look in the contract. You'll know exactly what I make.

I saw colleo in phl so didn't need to call him, but he and Paul are on the same page

Then something changed drastically since last Wednesday.

Driver...

 

[luvthe9]

A320 Captain:
5 years on LOA93 vs the Kirby proposal is close to $180,000 bucks. Not to say the Kirby was a great deal, but using it as a point of reference, how can you say there were no givebacks?

Driver...

Those givebacks were due to ALPA not Cleary.

 

[Claxon]

Maybe Parker needs to go talk to his buddies at Delta NWA CAL and UAL and learn how to put together a merger?!?!?!

None of them have any respect for him. His only advantage is he takes his employees working wages, and charges excessive fees. When he fails to get the employees to go for his crappy deals and MOU his world will come crashing down. The stockholders are sick and tired of his failure to merge. The rest of the airline appears to be sick and tired of the land grab the AWA pilots are attempting with seniority. The rest of the airline has merged date of hire. Time to get real, and get your airline moving ahead instead of holding it back. Even Parker appears tired of your group in his employee sessions.

 

[flyer63]

You vote any way you like. I am a long way from retirement. I have been trying to stop the flow of misinformation. I see now that I am wasting my time.

Probably a lot longer than you have worked here.

Look in the contract. You'll know exactly what I make.

Then something changed drastically since last Wednesday.

Driver...

This is where you are so wrong

The guy to your right was hired 2 to 5 years before you and has been Here for 17 to 22 years.

Start thinking about someone other than yourself

You have been making 50k more since you got into the left seat.

Again when were you hired and want to compare w2s?

 

[OTTER574]

What did they call the NW alpa hotline? COBRA NET/strike at anything.

Sorry, but because of certain groups here, we'll never have that leverage. The company knows what you want....even though company can't comply/TA/contract, will take the ADVANTAGE,

The company/jerry glass will and has complied with what a union called usapa is doing and has done. Quite successfully BTW.

OTTER

 

[EastUS1]

...the bag fee was LCC's idea,...

Indeed. What higher testimony to truly innovative genius could be found anywhere on earth? Now the jetways always look like baggage storage areas...Brilliant!....and well...of course we shouldn't forget charging for sodas...that was truly a stroke of genius that worked out brilliantly, and....there's always "Res Migration" = Complete Meltdown to consider. Nevermind that last, as it was, in the words of wannabe-but-washed-out-attempted-but-FAILED-to become USAF pilot kirby, an op that apparently went with "military precision" (I doubt I could have responsibly found use for such a person as could say that as so much as a squadron chock)....There just aren't enough laughing emoticons in all of cyber space to afford a proper salute to the true quality of team tempe's finest. Lord forbid their EVER being honestly compared to ANY people with actual character, vision and ability. Simple minded notions like ever building a network, engendering loyalty and a sense of mutual purpose, competing on strengths, or even the least bit of aggressive marketing should never be factored in here. God knows that any such endeavors would require people with some semblance of real character, brains and guts.......ummm...for our purposes here? = Nevermind 😉

 

[traderjake]

Start thinking about someone other than yourself

You have been making 50k more since you got into the left seat.

Just have him cut you a check next time you fly together.

 

[EastUS1]

What did they call the NW alpa hotline? COBRA NET/strike at anything.

Sorry, but because of certain groups here, we'll never have that leverage.

"certain groups"? = Yeah...Yours!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Guess the "REAL MONEY" has started to show up and backs HORTON! DUI DOUG, someone give him that cab number again! He is going to need it!

 

[EastUS1]

I have been trying to stop the flow of misinformation.

Driver. I'd respectfully suggest that everyone is best served when all just drag any/all details out into the sunlight for examination and debate. It's the WTF?/uncertanty factor that so easilly allows for people to just otherwise coil up and hiss at each other, without resolving anything. Those in favor or opposed would do well as advocates, by advancing their positions through logical explanations.

I'm all ears as to why this should pass. No one reasonably wants to give up any possible gains....but must remain very much opposed based upon the glaring concessions by themselves.

Perhaps, if we're to truly discuss this issue here; we should all uncoil and hiss a bit less, if any of us are to be heard 😉

On that note...umm...sorry Otter. The "certain groups"? = Yeah...Yours!" didn't help my notion of uncoling a bit.

Maybe, just maybe...we should all actually and honestly talk about the details in this mou scenario......What the hell...it'd at least be something different to do on this board 😉 I see it as being yet more absurd and needless concessions. The floor, as always here, is open.

 

[luvn737s]

If we vote the MOU land grab into existence, they need to come to Parker for Merger 101.

When, not if. And not ever airline CEO can have a Cleary in his pocket. Some have to work at busting a union.

 

[OTTER574]

"certain groups"? = Yeah...Yours!

Tell me when my section 6 rights will be negotiated with company? Bradford/usapa had/has a very weak answer to this. I paid for this hired corrupt WEAK CBA.

One big happy CBA because of the stupid/misinformed founders of usapa.

Tell me when my CURRENT TA goes away with company?

You've been gone for awhile for good reason. So have I, but my freezer is full of sockeye salmon.

East votes NO for good reasons, because parker/kirby/jerry glass needs some more cherries on this PIE you FOOLS handed them.

OTTER