AUG/SEPT 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I will give a contrarian view from the balcony. Don't think it will happen, but what if? Against the advice of Legal Counsel, the NAC, and the Officers the BPR did not recommend a yes vote on the MOU, sticking a (admittedly well deserved) hot poker in Parker's eye.

Now fast forward to M/Bond seniority hearings..guess who sits at the table with USAPA, APA, and maybe the West pilots? Why the company of course. Parker plops down the Nic and says "have a nice day." Sweet revenge.

Nobody really "won" today. We are all still the lowest paid, most pitiful pilots in the industry. We seem incapable of even climbing the first rung on the ladder out of our dark hole. I sincerely hope the West guys get separate status in M/B (if the merger happens.) But I just don't see it, granting them that status would open the door to the TWA guys, and any other "already represented" pilots to claim status. But I do hope they get it, maybe USAPA can be proactive in that regard.

Greeter

Alot of assumptions in your statement, Don't think DUI cares about revenge! He has already kissed PHX goodbye regardless of how this goes down, he gets a huge payday either win or lose! MM!

 

[Barrister]

That's right. Cleary met with Ferguson, offered the possibility of some sort of compromise and Ferguson declined.

If the east is willing to revisit this, and a mechanism could be established where the west can represent and negotiate on behalf of itself we could kill two birds - the Nic and the DFR.

Has the thought crossed anyone's mind that Mike Cleary is one smart guy!!!
Just sayin!!

NICDOA
NPJB (nothing personal, just business)

 

[luvn737s]

I would bet Silver just shook her head wondering why the pilots don't force USAPA to defecate or vacate the pot. Perhaps her ruling gave a little more clarity to the need for the pilots to take control of their union and compel it to work for them, or be replaced.

 

[mrbreeze]

Really?

So, the 9th circuit's Addington case no longer exist?


Relax MM. Nobody is going to sue.

The company will appeal, usapa will stay parked under injunction and on LOA93, and the Nic will remain the only system seniority list at LCC if the merger goes down.

Why would the company appeal? They got what they wanted today...if there is a DFR, it's an internal union lawsuit.....they got their out today.

If you think Parker is going to appeal because he supports his home boys out West, you have a lot to learn about this industry. Doug will not give up a huge payday in order to do the right thing, regardless of what the right thing is.

breeze

 

[Barrister]

Yep...usapa was kissing the judges ###. What it means is usapa will use the NIc or get themselves and the company sued. There ain't no West Pilots to negotiate with, and the mere fact that if they try, they are guilty of DFR right then might pose a little problem.

Hey NIC you are the child in the theater who just won't stop whining.......have you been paying attention at all. You were told. The test now is WIDE RANGE OF REASONABLENESS. DOH is just that. The NIC will play no part in ANY future events. The Addington and NIC are footnotes in a sorry mess that started when an arrogant arbitrator thought it was ok to put 17 years guys junior to a new hire.

I hope you get a life. We on the East will get up and do what we do everyday, try to make do with a shitty deal of incompetant managers, robber barons, and inadequate hubs. If I ever meet an angry bitter West guy who acts like I just stole his lunch money I'll just say..."Is that you NIC4US". And for the record...one last time....I LAY THIS AT NIC'S FEET NOT AT ANY WEST GUY.

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[Barrister]

I would bet Silver just shook her head wondering why the pilots don't force USAPA to defecate or vacate the pot. Perhaps her ruling gave a little more clarity to the need for the pilots to take control of their union and compel it to work for them, or be replaced.

Yea, I'm sure that's what she was thinking. GMAFB.

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[luvn737s]

Why would the company appeal?? Because they asked for guidance and got none. So they can't be sued for negotiating, but how about for signing?

If they really cared about a contract, they would have told USAPA NIC was the list. As it is, they aren't wasting any more time with USAPA, APA or no APA.

 

[end_of_alpa]

If who files an appeal? The West or the Company?

Well it could be either/or. I think if the company wants to give the "impression" they are somehow trying to do justice when they really are just trying to cover their future a$$ so to speak, we'll....you get the idea.

 

[end_of_alpa]

I will give a contrarian view from the balcony. Don't think it will happen, but what if? Against the advice of Legal Counsel, the NAC, and the Officers the BPR did not recommend a yes vote on the MOU, sticking a (admittedly well deserved) hot poker in Parker's eye.

Now fast forward to M/Bond seniority hearings..guess who sits at the table with USAPA, APA, and maybe the West pilots? Why the company of course. Parker plops down the Nic and says "have a nice day." Sweet revenge.

Nobody really "won" today. We are all still the lowest paid, most pitiful pilots in the industry. We seem incapable of even climbing the first rung on the ladder out of our dark hole. I sincerely hope the West guys get separate status in M/B (if the merger happens.) But I just don't see it, granting them that status would open the door to the TWA guys, and any other "already represented" pilots to claim status. But I do hope they get it, maybe USAPA can be proactive in that regard.

Greeter

Doesn't work that way.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Why would the company appeal?? Because they asked for guidance and got none. So they can't be sued for negotiating, but how about for signing?

If they really cared about a contract, they would have told USAPA NIC was the list. As it is, they aren't wasting any more time with USAPA, APA or no APA.

Well that is you makeing up your own reality as you go, remember it was , USAPA stalling, USAPA seperate ops , USAPA, so now it is the company? If they wanted guidance they would have not wanted to be excused in "HOBBY JUDGE WAKES" courtroom, well maybe DUI's deal with AA either way sells you off, who you going to sue, when your contract is sold to another entity, no operational integration , no list! Remember "THE RISK IS ALL ON YOUR SIDE"!

 

[end_of_alpa]

If the Addington Class is dissolved, who does AOL work for?

Eric???

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I see nothing has changed in the last month or so.

Still arguing over who bought who and the Nicolau is not fair.

Well we should find out tomorrow from judge Silver the direction we are going. Remember the hearing is not if the Nicolau is fair, there will never be a trial for that. Fairness was decided by Nicolau. You guys can go to your grave believing whatever you want but I think you will end up living or quitting under the Nicolau.

But just to add to further to your disappointment the PBGC filed their report with the court today. After spending $4 million and promising someone was going to jail and the PBGC checks would be bigger, once again usapa failed to perform.





This could end up being a very bad month for the east pilots and usapa. No joy on the PBGC $4million wild goose chase. Judge Silver put a stake in the heart of DOH. The company announces a merger and APA becomes the majority and east pilots learn what majority rules means.

Halloween could be very scary indeed for east pilots this year.

PS. Claxon get your own avatar your creepy stalker. Try and be original.

AS we mentioned, no smoking gun here!

 

[nic4us]

Anybody can sue. But if both parties, east and west, reach some sort of resolution - good luck with that lawsuit.

there is no West representative body.

usapa either represents me or not. If they try the kind of deal you are talking about, then it becomes obvious they do not, and we don't have to wait around for a contract to file the DFR.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Yeah, but Halloween is when they sit and wait for the Giant Pumpkin...one that will give them DOH, one that will give them respect, one that will finally let everyone in America know just how much they suffered....

Or not.

Did a giant pumpkin show up today? Let us know HP, we have an early idea of your costume! MUTATIS!

 

[end_of_alpa]

there is no West representative body.

usapa either represents me or not. If they try the kind of deal you are talking about, then it becomes obvious they do not, and we don't have to wait around for a contract to file the DFR.

Look...I get it. You're pissed. But eventually, you'll have to come to terms, get a grip and move on.

After today, were ALL moving forward. The DFR you speak CANNOT happen until AFTER a JCBA is attained.