Big TWU meeting

[Hopeful]

Seems to me we've got two choices. The Grape flavored Kool Aid (smooth, reasonable, somethin's better than nothin', it ain't great but I still got a decent paying job. aka TWU). <_< Or the Lemon Lime flavored Kool Aid (acidic, bitting, burn the place down, blow up base maintainence, I want the SW contract. aka Bob Owens). :angry:

The only ones advocating "blowing up base maintenance" are those pro company people who feel if we would just outsource a few thousand more maintnenace jobs overseas, then their stock would increase because AA would miraculously become profitable overnite.

 

[Vortilon]

And in come the mindless drone followers..

That's funny, cause that is how I view TWU supporters.... 😉

 

[Just the Facts II]

Who said anything about blowing up base maintenance? Who said anything about burning the place down? Must be very nice wrapped with the anonymous blanket of fear and unaccountability pulled over your head. So in your words the company can do what it wants, when it wants and we should be lucky to have our twu kool-aid? I don't drink kool-aid. I fight for what is right. What do you fight for?

Ken, I believe you may have mistaken my post as a reply to yours. I had intended for mine to appear below "Time For Change"'s post about Kool Aid.

Get on the end of the government cheese line and wait for your handout. And have some more of that KoolAAide to wash it down.

I would guess by looking at the dateline of our posts, that we were both typing up a post at the same time but you were 3 minutes ahead of mine. If this is the case, I can understand the confusion. I guess that's one of the problems when not quoting a previous post in a reply.

I know you are not a Kool Aid drinker. In fact if you partake in drinking at all, I would peg you as a brew your own, white lightning, fire water type of guy!

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Or the Lemon Lime flavored Kool Aid (acidic, bitting, burn the place down, blow up base maintainence, I want the SW contract. aka Bob Owens).

I'll partake 😉

 

[DallasConehead]

Or the Lemon Lime flavored Kool Aid (acidic, bitting, burn the place down, blow up base maintainence, I want the SW contract. aka Bob Owens).

I'll partake 😉

If you want a SW contract then you will need to open up the scope language to allow the company the option to contract out some of the overhaul. (No need for all those Base Maint Facilities) And you would need to move to a 401K match vs DB. BTW these are 2 things the other legacy carriers did through the BK courts and AA did not. But you already knew that.

 

[Bob Owens]

If you want a SW contract then you will need to open up the scope language to allow the company the option to contract out some of the overhaul. (No need for all those Base Maint Facilities) And you would need to move to a 401K match vs DB. BTW these are 2 things the other legacy carriers did through the BK courts and AA did not. But you already knew that.

Who says? Show me that language that prohibits the outsourcing of any OH? I hear we may end up doing just that because AA simply doesnt have the space or manpower to do all the work coming due. Dont we ship out the 737 engines? I seem to recall Delta doing some of our OH years ago and I remember preparing to ship our 80-C2s overseas for OH. We brought that work back in house because they came back as bad as when they left, they did all that under the same language.

The dock plan is booked solid through 2012(something they forgot to mention when they talk about the gain sharing clause, no 3p, no gains to share)

8% 401k match on all earnings, and earnings averaging around $100+ K /year vs the $1100 they put in my pension thats based on my much smaller base pay? I'd take it.

 

[Hopeful]

e) Contracting Out of Work. In the interest of providing stable employment, but
107 nevertheless to permit the Company to maintain and continue the development of air
108 transportation under applicable laws, the Company will perform aircraft and aircraft
109 component maintenance and overhaul, and other related work, as its present
110 employees have the normal time and the skills to perform, and for which the Company
111 can reasonably make available the necessary facilities.

 

[DallasConehead]

Who says? Show me that language that prohibits the outsourcing of any OH? I hear we may end up doing just that because AA simply doesnt have the space or manpower to do all the work coming due. Dont we ship out the 737 engines? I seem to recall Delta doing some of our OH years ago and I remember preparing to ship our 80-C2s overseas for OH. We brought that work back in house because they came back as bad as when they left, they did all that under the same language.

The dock plan is booked solid through 2012(something they forgot to mention when they talk about the gain sharing clause, no 3p, no gains to share)

8% 401k match on all earnings, and earnings averaging around $100+ K /year vs the $1100 they put in my pension thats based on my much smaller base pay? I'd take it.

There you go Bob, why don't you propose in negotiations the company contract out an amount of overhaul similar to what SW does then freeze the pensions where they are and go to a match? Don't forget to increase the Line mechanics payrate up there where SW is...

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

The items you mention are of little consequence to the bottom line when compared to retro. You think that if M&R got retro the other unions and title groups won't demand it? Gimme some of what your smoking dude.

Everyone will be waiting a long time then Bob, 100% retro is pie in the sky. Unless the winds of corporate wealth change dramatically, which with AA's mgt team "ain't gonna happen." You sir have filled the readers of this board with unrealistic expectations that I predict will lead to a very long wait for yet another less then adequate TA and possibly the ultimate downfall of this airline. Which btw, you are a proponent of. Ridiculous

People think AMP will change things? I'm here to tell you that nothing will change, TUL will get greased, they will vote in any agreement that accomplishes this. It will happen at the expense of those of us on the line. Well done...

Retro should be a strike issue
But people like you would rather settle for Government cheese
Now back to the end of the line cheese and KoolAAide for you
and down with this airline !

 

[DallasConehead]

Retro should be a strike issue
But people like you would rather settle for Government cheese
Now back to the end of the line cheese and KoolAAide for you
and down with this airline !

If you want to strike over it Im game, I was ready 2 years ago and I'll be out there walking the line with you. Just don't be surprised at the guys that jump the line because they are not ready even though they have had ample time to prepare. You know the ones, they come on here and have a bizillion reasons why they shouldn't have to or say it'll never get to that point because of one reason or another.

Now, go get your own cheese.

 

[paul1]

I thought we already had a clause about contracting out and contracting in, and the TWU is suppose to get a report every month or so

 

[Just the Facts II]

Retro should be a strike issue
But people like you would rather settle for Government cheese
Now back to the end of the line cheese and KoolAAide for you
and down with this airline !

Laughable. You accuse DC of being willing to settle for Govenment cheese and then advocate bringing down the airline. With your '92 seniority, it will be YOU lining up for the cheese after Uncle Bob outsources base maintanence and I bump you off the line. I've always liked Florida. 😛 😀 😛 😀 😛

 

[Just the Facts II]

I thought we already had a clause about contracting out and contracting in, and the TWU is suppose to get a report every month or so

You are correct about both. "Hopeful" basically posted the clause above. Who knows if the TWU actually continues to get a report though.

Percent of Maintenance Expenses Outsourced in 2009,

American 25.3%

Southwest 61.7%

 

[eolesen]

25% sounds awfully high -- is that including TAESL, and contracted line work outside the US?

If it's true, then I have to question if it weakens some of the arguments being made about productivity and insourcing...

 

[Just the Facts II]

25% sounds awfully high -- is that including TAESL, and contracted line work outside the US?

If it's true, then I have to question if it weakens some of the arguments being made about productivity and insourcing...

Sorry, I don't follow. 25% of Maintenance Expenses Outsourced is by far the lowest % of any airline.