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Wretched Wrench said:
Are you sure they were MANAGEMENT? Typically, AA lays off a few clerks and then trumpets how MANAGEMENT is suffering. You know, the "Shared Sacrifice" thing.
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WW no im not sure of the job title of the ones being let go, but i do know some supervisers were affected.
 
Mech seniority that was furloughed, at MCI, went back to 01.03.89...keep in mind that this is usually, with TWAers, an adjusted seniority date...they may have up to 6 1/2 years of furlough already under their belts...which would then have a date of 06.03.82
 
Drippy Quill said:
Mech seniority that was furloughed, at MCI, went back to 01.03.89...keep in mind that this is usually, with TWAers, an adjusted seniority date...they may have up to 6 1/2 years of furlough already under their belts...which would then have a date of 06.03.82
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<_< Mr.R. Kasher's award, dated 29 April,2002, pg.23, at bottom, it states: "However, as noted above, the contractual language and the bargining history does not disclose that there was any guarantee for American's TWU-represented employees that there would be additional work oppertunities created for them by the acquisition and integration, nor does the language dictate that American's TWU-represented employees benifit at the expense of the IAM-represented workforce!"--This is the bases of the greavance submitted 12-3-04! a.a. has said it was moving "all" narrow-body work to TUL., including former TWA Aircraft, laying exTWA people off, and thus benifiting those employees in TUL, at the expense of those here at MCIe!!!! The greavance demands a return of all above work, and an immediate return of all those layed off because of lose said work!
 
MCI transplant said:
<_< Mr.R. Kasher's award, dated 29 April,2002, pg.23, at bottom, it states: "However, as noted above, the contractual language and the bargining history does not disclose that there was any guarantee for American's TWU-represented employees that there would be additional work oppertunities created for them by the acquisition and integration, nor does the language dictate that American's TWU-represented employees benifit at the expense of the IAM-represented workforce!"--This is the bases of the greavance submitted 12-3-04! a.a. has said it was moving "all" narrow-body work to TUL., including former TWA Aircraft, laying exTWA people off, and thus benifiting those employees in TUL, at the expense of those here at MCIe!!!! The greavance demands a return of all above work, and an immediate return of all those layed off because of lose said work!
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Give it up. TWA no longer exists and is a figment of your imagnation.The aircraft and MCIE belongs to American Airlines,not TWA.
 
goingboeing said:
Give it up. TWA no longer exists and is a figment of your imagnation.The aircraft and MCIE belongs to American Airlines,not TWA.
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<_< boing! Last week, I saw a Cartoon, it was thumb tacked to one of our old bulleton boards. It was a drawing of a crain, trying to swallow a frog! The frog was half way down the crains craw, but the frog had reached out and was chocking off the crains throat! The caption you can guess!!! "Never give up!!!" 😛
 
MCI transplant said:
<_< Mr.R. Kasher's award, dated 29 April,2002, pg.23, at bottom, it states: "However, as noted above, the contractual language and the bargining history does not disclose that there was any guarantee for American's TWU-represented employees that there would be additional work oppertunities created for them by the acquisition and integration, nor does the language dictate that American's TWU-represented employees benifit at the expense of the IAM-represented workforce!"--This is the bases of the greavance submitted 12-3-04! a.a. has said it was moving "all" narrow-body work to TUL., including former TWA Aircraft, laying exTWA people off, and thus benifiting those employees in TUL, at the expense of those here at MCIe!!!! The greavance demands a return of all above work, and an immediate return of all those layed off because of lose said work!
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Good luck with your Grievance.

What is it you expect Kasher to decide? Can he tell the company to move the work back to MCI? I doubt it. His decision concerned a dissagreement between two unions not the company and the union.

As far as additional work opportunities thats not really the case either. Since the Kasher decision the volume of work has decreased. Over 100 airplanes have been pulled out of the system, and Tulsa has dropped by at least 1000 members.

By the way, you guys were warned that the TWU would betray you. You got their concessionary contract in place and helped thwart the AMFA drive but now they dont need you anymore so its "see you later".
 
Bob Owens said:
Good luck with your Grievance.

What is it you expect Kasher to decide? Can he tell the company to move the work back to MCI? I doubt it. His decision concerned a dissagreement between two unions not the company and the union.

As far as additional work opportunities thats not really the case either. Since the Kasher decision the volume of work has decreased. Over 100 airplanes have been pulled out of the system, and Tulsa has dropped by at least 1000 members.

By the way, you guys were warned that the TWU would betray you. You got their concessionary contract in place and helped thwart the AMFA drive but now they dont need you anymore so its "see you later".
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<_<Bob,Bob,Bob! I guess everyone has a right to his Opinon!!!!!
 
goingboeing said:
Give it up. TWA no longer exists and is a figment of your imagnation.The aircraft and MCIE belongs to American Airlines,not TWA.

Well said!
 
MCI transplant said:
<_<Bob,Bob,Bob! I guess everyone has a right to his Opinon!!!!!
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Yes they do, but not with the TWU.

Nobody likes to see anyone lose their jobs but the fact is that there are a lot more mechanics who were working for AA prior to the Integration that are no longer employed than there are TWA people who are no longer employed. Thats a fact that escapes some.

Most of the ex-TWA guys I've met are good people, in fact I cant think of anything negative about anyone who has come into our station. We go about our assignments, work together and normally confine our bitching to the concessions, not the integration. It seems that the seniority issue is more of an issue at MCI than here.
 
WingNaPrayer said:
Well said!
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<_< Hello wing! He's right you Know! TWA is no more! But, at least some of it's people are still here! And as long as a.a./ and their Unions treat us as nothing more than something to be used up and than discarded, there will be someone to remind you of it! If not me, someone!!!!! :down:
 
Bob Owens said:
Yes they do, but not with the TWU.

Nobody likes to see anyone lose their jobs but the fact is that there are a lot more mechanics who were working for AA prior to the Integration that are no longer employed than there are TWA people who are no longer employed. Thats a fact that escapes some.

Most of the ex-TWA guys I've met are good people, in fact I cant think of anything negative about anyone who has come into our station. We go about our assignments, work together and normally confine our bitching to the concessions, not the integration. It seems that the seniority issue is more of an issue at MCI than here.
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<_< Bob, you still don't get it! The issue here is lose of work that Kasher said should be ours!!!! And the fact that if we're layed off, unlike to green nAAtive in TUL with five years, there are vary few places we can go! Those are the issues!! :down:
 
MCI transplant said:
<_< Bob, you still don't get it! The issue here is lose of work that Kasher said should be ours!!!! And the fact that if we're layed off, unlike to green nAAtive in TUL with five years, there are vary few places we can go! Those are the issues!! :down:
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MCI, According to SABRE there are 4 nAAtive aircraft in MCI right now (2 nAAtive MD-80s, one of which was a former Reno Air plane, and 2 767-200s) in addition to 2 former TWA MD-80s and 1 former TWA 757. If anything, it seems as though your getting the former TWA aircraft AND nAAtive aircraft. As far as the 5 year green nAAtive in TUL, that is his base, just as MCIe is your base. You really need to accept the Kasher decision because this is the way it is for all eternity. Except for MCI and STL, your TWA seniority died with TWA. It could be worse, you could have ended up like the TWA flight attendants (pure stpale) or you could have ended up like the mechanics at NW (laid half of them off and closing ATL maintanence base and closing almost all of their MSP maintenance base) or UA (laid off all heavy maintenance mechanics, closed IND, OAK, and rumors about closing SFO). So you should give up your dream of getting your TWA seniority back into order to stick it to the nAAtives. As I said earlier, I think that AA will lease enough hangar space at MCI to do heavy Maintanence on an amount of planes equal to former TWA aircraft. In 2007, the leases on the former TWA 757s expire and they will almost certainly be returned to the leasing companies. Also, the former TWA MD-80s' leases will expire over time and AA can return them to the lessors. Also, over the next couple of years, some of the former TWA mechanics will retire because they are close to retirement age. In closing, I think you should be very grateful for what you do have because AA could have very easily closed MCI completely and used the low ticket prices and the high cost fuel as their perfect reason.
 
aafsc said:
MCI, According to SABRE there are 4 nAAtive aircraft in MCI right now (2 nAAtive MD-80s, one of which was a former Reno Air plane, and 2 767-200s) in addition to 2 former TWA MD-80s and 1 former TWA 757. If anything, it seems as though your getting the former TWA aircraft AND nAAtive aircraft. As far as the 5 year green nAAtive in TUL, that is his base, just as MCIe is your base. You really need to accept the Kasher decision because this is the way it is for all eternity. Except for MCI and STL, your TWA seniority died with TWA. It could be worse, you could have ended up like the TWA flight attendants (pure stpale) or you could have ended up like the mechanics at NW (laid half of them off and closing ATL maintanence base and closing almost all of their MSP maintenance base) or UA (laid off all heavy maintenance mechanics, closed IND, OAK, and rumors about closing SFO). So you should give up your dream of getting your TWA seniority back into order to stick it to the nAAtives. As I said earlier, I think that AA will lease enough hangar space at MCI to do heavy Maintanence on an amount of planes equal to former TWA aircraft. In 2007, the leases on the former TWA 757s expire and they will almost certainly be returned to the leasing companies. Also, the former TWA MD-80s' leases will expire over time and AA can return them to the lessors. Also, over the next couple of years, some of the former TWA mechanics will retire because they are close to retirement age. In closing, I think you should be very grateful for what you do have because AA could have very easily closed MCI completely and used the low ticket prices and the high cost fuel as their perfect reason.
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<_< So you got it all figured out do you? Your willing to except Kasher's decision on senority, but not his decision on April 24th. 2002, pg.23, as quoted in my previous post! This is a greavance! At least at this point! Let's see what, if anything, comes of it!!! We as TWA bought more to the table than you and your few employees are willing to admit! Those aircraft you refur to, are making a.a. money! If they weren't, they would have already gone back to the leaser!
 
<_< As for geateful! Come on man! Do you think, for one minute, that a.a. do'es anything out of the goodness of their hearts?? How old did you say you were? If there wasn't potental for a.a. to profit from MCIE, it would have already been closed! You know that, and so do I! And friend, we are pulling our weight here! So don't try to put a guilt trip on me!
 
MCI transplant said:
<_< Bob, you still don't get it! The issue here is lose of work that Kasher said should be ours!!!! And the fact that if we're layed off, unlike to green nAAtive in TUL with five years, there are vary few places we can go! Those are the issues!! :down:
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Did Kasher say which work was yours? Or did he consider the worth of the additional TWA assetts when formulating your seniority? The primary purpose of the Kasher decision was to settle a dispute between the two unions concerning seniority, not to direct the company on how they run their business.

Should the company decide to close Tulsa, and ship all the work to MCI would the Kasher decision prevent that?

What in the Kasher decision prevents the company from doing the opposite?

As far as where you can go, you could probably make it to NYC. More than likely most of the guys getting laid off could make it to another station. How many actually have no choice but the street?
 

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