"Change Of Control" Snap Back, Grievance, September 13,2007

[insp89]

I have not heard that. Doesnt mean its not true but my question would be why bother.
They would have no incentive to do so.
I hope we win but if we dont than what do we do who do we complain to

I believe there is a LOTof incentive in bringing the east and west together under one agreeement,
[from both the IAM and company standpoint].
It is not easy from the IAM's standpoint to administer 2 different labor contracts at [one] airline.

Also, the company cannot realize all of their merger syngeries until the contracts are put together.

 

[awausairtech]

I am under the Impression that [when] and [if] the IAM wins this Arbitration,
The IAM and Company will then sit down and negotiate a Transition Agreement that will bring the East and West Together,
and hopefully will addresss sick pay, vacation and many other issues.
The Obvious Upside is that the IAM will be Negotiating from a Position of Strength [for a change].

(when)! This COC willl be in court for more than the old timers will be around) The only chance we have is the west contranct.......ooooooo thats right u east boys have not came to Turms that you got bought by PARKER and the crew LOL......YOU BOYS AND GIRLDS NEED TO WAKE UP!!!!!!!!! MORE BS FROM THE IAM ok use the IBT west contract to get u some more chump change or have a real union get you some..................................................................
....................IBT.

 

[orioleman]

fuzz,
the incentive for the company to go back to the table,, is well let me put this way 20.00 hr and change..

Quote from the grand budweiser.. in clt last year maybe 1 1/2 yr ago... "FLEET SERVICE WILL NEVER SEE WAGES WHERE THEY WERE PRIOR TO BK"

now to answer your ???? again.. PARKERS hemroids are popping over the fact that a lowly ramper would or should ever make those wages.. that's what will get him

back to table (case of bud wouldn't hurt either)



sidenote:

Redeye can quote the contract front ways and backways will standing on his head.. so please don't doubt his knowledge.. (I now this for a fact) just a little fyi

 

[insp89]

(when)! This COC willl be in court for more than the old timers will be around) The only chance we have is the west contranct.......ooooooo thats right u east boys have not came to Turms that you got bought by PARKER and the crew LOL......YOU BOYS AND GIRLDS NEED TO WAKE UP!!!!!!!!! MORE BS FROM THE IAM ok use the IBT west contract to get u some more chump change or have a real union get you some..................................................................
....................IBT.

Last I've heard is that the Arbiter is due to make a decision on the COC grievance in early November.

The east [boys and girls ] are well aware that [Parker-lube] bought Usairways,
thats why the IAM filed the COC grievance in the first place..

What is your alternative to the COC arbitration ?? , Voting YES to a [Pathetic] Transition Agreeement,
like the one offered to the Fleet ???

 

[redeye]

Last I've heard is that the Arbiter is due to make a decision on the COC grievance in early November.

The east [boys and girls ] are well aware that [Parker-lube] bought Usairways,
thats why the IAM filed the COC grievance in the first place..

What is your alternative to the COC arbitration ?? , Voting YES to a [Pathetic] Transition Agreeement,
like the one offered to the Fleet ???

The Union and the Company will be submitting post hearing briefs either late October or early November.
The Arbitrator will probably not rule before February.

 

[insp89]

Redeye-
I agree with you in that if this CIC is decided in
the workers favor it will severly impact how the union
can negotiate for a new agreement. If the company see's
the value of the award as an oppurtunity to raise current
benifits and pay in an attempt to keep from paying out the
whole award. The TA that was voted down did not equal the
value of what the CIC could be. Alot of people just can't see
the forest for the trees'. We as a group are holding a very
powerful threat. We will know soon and even if it isn't decided
in the workers favor we still recieve ''Profit Sharing'' and need
to be brought back to the table for '09. We as a group are no
longer dealing from the backseat to a bankrupt airline. We are
now dealing with a very profitable company. I asked Jeff before
but he never answered. ''Would he still advise the group to vote
for this TA and for-go the ''Profit Sharing'' knowing that Fidelity
Investments just purchased 6,000,000 more shares ? I don't know
how educated he is but I'm gonna guess that Fidelity has some very
educated people working for them .''
Thanks

Well Said !!
The IAM "membership" has nothing to lose, and PLENTY to gain, by taking this to Arbitration..

 

[Smartest Loser]

I wonder if my pension would be made whole again...???

How would that happend..??

SL

 

[Tim Nelson]

Well Said !!
The IAM "membership" has nothing to lose, and PLENTY to gain, by taking this to Arbitration..

exactly what does the IAM have to gain by taking this to arbitration? I realize the workers benefit but not the IAM. The IAM is clear, it wanted to throw out the greivance but the workers set them straight.

regards,

 

[skinvalve]

The IAM leadership may have nothing to gain from the COC, but if the IAM "BLOWS IT" they could be facing a very irrate membership ready to sign cards.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The IAM leadership may have nothing to gain from the COC, but if the IAM "BLOWS IT" they could be facing a very irrate membership ready to sign cards.

the IAM already blew it and people are already signing cards. 142 would have never screwed over their membership like 141 attempted to. I'm only speaking in regards to 141 members who have continually been screwed over. Was there ever a time that 141 members were not screwed over in the past 13 years? Just once?

regards,

 

[pjirish317]

HENDERFUZZ,
The current CBA states that along with the pay raise the IAM will have the right to extend the contract. It is not automatic. Of course with their track record they probably will. Get your facts straight.

 

[insp89]

exactly what does the IAM have to gain by taking this to arbitration? I realize the workers benefit but not the IAM. The IAM is clear, it wanted to throw out the greivance but the workers set them straight.

regards,

Hold on there Tim,
Read my Post again, I said the "MEMBERSHIP" has a lot to gain, not the IAM itself...

I agree, The IAM did not want to take this to arbitration.

Congrats to the membership for taking this to arbitration.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Hold on there Tim,
Read my Post again, I said the "MEMBERSHIP" has a lot to gain, not the IAM itself...

I agree, The IAM did not want to take this to arbitration.

Congrats to the membership for taking this to arbitration.

cool.

regards,

 

[pjirish317]

Here's what I get for pay rates for the ramp:
When we started this and signed the original CBA the ramp was at $20.08 hr. Now under the LOA covering pay-parity you multiply that by 1.08. So in 2002 we were at $21.68 hr. That was 20.08 x 1.08=21.68. So with that said 21.68x1.08=$23.41. I am not sure if these are the right figures to go by, but they are the only ones that make sense. So Tim where did you come up with $21 and change? Just curious? If anyony has the 1999 CBA look on pages 92 for the original rates of pay then pages 102-108 for the pay-parity increases.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Here's what I get for pay rates for the ramp:
When we started this and signed the original CBA the ramp was at $20.08 hr. Now under the LOA covering pay-parity you multiply that by 1.08. So in 2002 we were at $21.68 hr. That was 20.08 x 1.08=21.68. So with that said 21.68x1.08=$23.41. I am not sure if these are the right figures to go by, but they are the only ones that make sense. So Tim where did you come up with $21 and change? Just curious? If anyony has the 1999 CBA look on pages 92 for the original rates of pay then pages 102-108 for the pay-parity increases.

I was informed by 'key people' that $21.19 would be the snapback. These people were not IAM folks. The key component was based on information from the 4 airlines and % of part-time ratios which makes up a key component of the rate. I myself thought the initial COC rate was closer to $22 but I was told that is not the case. Remember, at the IBT's option [screw the iAM] the duration can be extended an additional 3 years with 4.5% raises on the ammendable date, and 3 more 4.5% raises at each year thereafter....then the contract will be ammendable. I have the numbers somewhere but if I remember correctly it's $25 and change. 700uw provided the numbers for the M & R and they are also staggering. Together the numbers are $439 m illion and then when the west is included the numbers will swell to $627 million.

However, at present time you have the I Am Management union and Parker's boy Canale. Remember, the COC was already negotiated and it's in the agreement. All the IAM has done is bargain away things that are already negotiated, i.e., profit sharing, the COC, about 20 westies benefits down Parker's john, and then tagged another 2 years of a bankruptcy contract and stretched the wage scale another 20% and threw in a few IOU's. Hang in there, either the IBT or IBEW will come in and clean things up because it has been a super huge mess. The west will already be in section 6, and the east section 6 openers are scheduled in 13 months [oct 31 of next year]. And with a change of leadership, Parker can screw transition until he gives workers the respect and dignity they deserve. If he doesnt know how to do that then I'm sure muscle will be flexed provided Parker's boy, Canale, is finally relieved of his treason.

regards,