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Obama didnt change it, Congress did.

If the NMB determines that a single transportation system exists, the investigation will proceed to address the representation of the proper craft or class. The rules regarding percentage of valid authorizations in NMB Rule §1206.2 (29 CFR § 1206.2) and bar rules in NMB Rule §1206.4 (29 CFR § 1206.4) do not apply to applications filed under this section.
19.601 Showing of Interest on the Single Transportation System

Incumbent organizations or individuals on the affected carrier(s) must submit evidence of representation or a showing of interest from at least thirty-five (35) percent of the employees in the craft or class. This evidence includes, but is not limited to, a seniority list, dues check-off list, a current collective bargaining agreement or a certification, or other indicia of current representation.

19.602 If the organization or individual filing the application does not represent any of the employees covered by the application, the organization or individual must submit authorization cards from at least thirty-five (35) percent of the employees in the craft or class. If a single organization or individual represents all of the employees in a craft or class on the newly created single transportation system, an application filed by an intervening organization or individual must be supported by authorization cards from a majority (more than fifty (50) percent) of the employees in the craft or class. (See Section 3.601).

19.603 If not already filed with the initial application, organizations (Incumbents and Intervenors) have fourteen (14) calendar days from the date of the NMB’s single transportation system determination to submit evidence of a showing of interest or to supplement the showing of interest on the single transportation system.
So... in the event of a merger between AA and US both unions would be considered incumbent by the NMB and therefore subjected to the requirements set forth which requires evidence, but not limited to, a seniority list, dues check off list or a collectve bargaining agreement or certification from at least 35% of the employees in the craft and class. Is this interpretation accurate?
 
So... in the event of a merger between AA and US both unions would be considered incumbent by the NMB and therefore subjected to the requirements set forth which requires evidence, but not limited to, a seniority list, dues check off list or a collectve bargaining agreement or certification from at least 35% of the employees in the craft and class. Is this interpretation accurate?
700 is drawing conclusions that are not confirmed. To be sure, it is the IAM's position and it would test the new law. If the IAM is successful then it will necessarily further delay in any wage increases, etc since a representational dispute will set any representation determinations back another 6-12 months. Further, any election ordered would not give 'representation' an automatic 'rerun election' if "NO union" finished in second place. Thus, depending on the individual, some members may actually like this if they think paying dues is a waste. Section 2 9th of the new law under the RLA changes the rules in favor of 'no union', that is why the IAM may be risking representation altogether if it pushes to protect its dues interest and force a favorable ruling for an election, otherwise, the TWU would automatically blanket all employees. Also, it is not impossible, yet maybe probable that the Teamsters may partake with a write in campaign. regards,
 
What I posted was straight out the NMB's representational manual.
 
AA+US M&R is fewer heads than US ramp and M&R, further erosion of the IAM membership base.

Josh

Do you have any numbers to back up that claim? I'm going to say both unions will be close to break even should there be a split such as 700 mentioned.
 
on the iam website iam141.org there was a message regarding how dp talked with twu again while the union and us are negogiating the union is not happy about it and they said its the 2nd time doug went to amr and the twu at least thats how im reading it
This continual coddling of the TWU by US leadership through closed door / secretive negotiations with a union who is not even on their property speaks volumes. The way I read it... US would much prefer contract negotiatiations with the TWU over the IAM in the event of a merger. What's that tell you?
 
I have no problem with the company talking to the TWU , I mean they may be our future union after all .
 
You are simply unreal.

They are negotiating with a union and employees that they dont even pay nor do they work for US.

Yet you and other groups are in Section 6 Negotiations to obtain improvement and you dont care?

That makes no sense.
 
freedom you have no idea if the twu would be our union or not i would think we have to have an election or something but id have to ask you how do you feel about us talkin to aa union and not care to settle our contracts that pisses me off bec to me the company is stating we dont care about the iam or negogiations with them thats the feeling i get from this outfit
 
freedom you have no idea if the twu would be our union or not i would think we have to have an election or something but id have to ask you how do you feel about us talkin to aa union and not care to settle our contracts that pisses me off bec to me the company is stating we dont care about the iam or negogiations with them thats the feeling i get from this outfit

In a phrase, the Tempe Boys have "Bigger Fish to Fry" and US FSAs can wait. This is all about getting all the AA work groups on board for a merger (or at least, no hostile resistance to the idea) in order to avoid another Delta fiasco of strong employee opposition.

It annoys me too, but I am not surprised... an opportunity to merge with the last viable remaining legacy airline during bankruptcy may not happen again during our lifetime. Not to say it is right, but I understand.
 
Do you have any numbers to back up that claim? I'm going to say both unions will be close to break even should there be a split such as 700 mentioned.
Not sure the TWU will be able to make that deal even if it wanted to since that sorta deal wouldn't come down until after the regulatory boys approve the merger and then the whole time consuming single carrier process before any representational issues can start. The IAM 142 is still trying to transition the employees it represents at AirTran and that deal was announced in 2010. A lot will change between now and the next 2-3 years when representational issues are engaged, and imo, AMFA or the IBT will be representing the AMR mx by then. Both of those organizations aren't dumping thousands into a raid right now for nothing. I'm also inclined to think that the IBT may be representing the UA ramp by then since the IAM Bosses have failed. If the IAM were to actually do its job and quit signing contracts with ready reserve, double part time %, and other dopey things, then maybe the IAM wouldn't be losing so many members. As it stands now, management doesn't even bother with the IAM until management is ready to give the union people what the non contract already has. Sad indeed and strong unionist from years ago are rolling over in their graves over how these union bosses have destroyed labor in this country. regards,
 
In a phrase, the Tempe Boys have "Bigger Fish to Fry" and US FSAs can wait. This is all about getting all the AA work groups on board for a merger (or at least, no hostile resistance to the idea) in order to avoid another Delta fiasco of strong employee opposition.

It annoys me too, but I am not surprised... an opportunity to merge with the last viable remaining legacy airline during bankruptcy may not happen again during our lifetime. Not to say it is right, but I understand.
Their strategy of getting all the AA work groups on board for a merger, as you put it, while blatantly ignoring their own work groups' interests is an insult to the US workgroups. Workgroups who have sacrificed much to keep US solvent. IMO... This strategy will lead to "another Delta fiasco" as well.
 
I have no problem with the company talking to the TWU , I mean they may be our future union after all .

Freedom answer me this. Do you know why they are only talking to the TWU? I think that is a fair question.
 
Freedom answer me this. Do you know why they are only talking to the TWU? I think that is a fair question.

Its because US has total disregard for your previous sacrifices. Also AA has more employees than US so the company is playing the numbers game. They Neg where the numbesr benefit...not on what you do for them. Would you want the " Me Too " clause taken out of your MOU? Thats what was given up by the TWU signing the MOU...

Only the Pilots and FA still have it
 
FREEDOM ITS CLEAR YOU DONT CARE WHAT UNION WE HAVE FROM WHAT MY NEIGHBOR TOLD ME ABOUT THE TWU HE TOLD ME AND STILL DOES TO THIS DAY WE HAVE A BETTER UNION.
HE JUST RETIRED FROM AA WITH THE BUYOUT FURLOUGH PACKAGE NOV 1
 
FREEDOM ITS CLEAR YOU DONT CARE WHAT UNION WE HAVE FROM WHAT MY NEIGHBOR TOLD ME ABOUT THE TWU HE TOLD ME AND STILL DOES TO THIS DAY WE HAVE A BETTER UNION.
HE JUST RETIRED FROM AA WITH THE BUYOUT FURLOUGH PACKAGE NOV 1
I'm not professing the IAM is perfect by any means; no union is. It is quite evident to me however, based on the company's actions, which union they would prefer to have represent the Fleet Service. Additionally, it would be safe to speculate that this preference is in their own best interests and not ours. Apparently US views the TWU as more business friendly.
 
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