Democracy

[Ken MacTiernan]

Ken:

Since I have been in the airline industry I have signed an AMFA card almost every year. As a matter of fact I have handed out my share of AMFA cards. I have seen the way the TWU does business and I can't say that I'm impressed. In my time here I've watched the rights of union officials and members who did not tow the party line get trampled on. When I get the TWU "newspaper" I can expect it to be filled with half truths. Example, in one of last years addition it was claimed that AMFA presided over UAL's closing of the IND maintenace base. Well as we all know that's a half truth. AMFA had just taken over when the closing occured. The IAM had actually been the bargaining agent when the closure was agreed upon. Speaking of the IAM it should be obvious that they fall short as union representing mechanics. AS for the IBT I think it's scandalous tht America West sends aircraft to El Salvador to be worked on.

Now lets discuss AMFA. As I have already stated I have been a supporter in the past. I belive that their ultimate goal for a craft union just for AMT's is the right one. God knows that the TWU, IAM and IBT will never fight for it. However when you call AMFA a craft union this is not entirely accurate. The carpenters union is a craft union. Why, because only carpenters can be members. AMFA on the other hand not only represents A&P's but also other work groups as well. This is because the NMB says they have to.

AMFA unfortanetly has let some of their members down. The fact that NWA sends aircraft to Hong Kong and Singapore for heavy maintenance attests to this. Or the fact that Alaska basically dumped their heavy maintenance and now outsources preety much all of it. I suspect that AMT's over at NWA and Alaska were none to happy about this.

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777Fixer, I am glad that you have supported AMFA. It will take people like yourself who can interpret what they read as to what is fact or lies.

When I claim AMFA is a Craft Union I do understand their make up. Are they 100% craft by definition? Well, they are enough for me. The government dictated who could be in our CRAFT & CLASS. AMFA is also democratic. Something that makes the twu seek refuge under managements desk.

AMFA did not send work at NWA to Hong Kong and Singapore. It was the iam. Pure and simple. It will be hard for AMFA to get this work back. Will they? I never heard any promise from AMFA that they would get this work back... but they would try as well as prevent further work from going out the door. Let the twu unelected officials to spin their lies. The facts remain facts. Just like the iam let work go over seas at UAL.

As for this threads topic. Do you know any twu supporters that might be able to answer my question?

 

[777 fixer]

Ken:

Yes, I realize that the original outsource limits were negotiated by the IAM and it was under the IAM that UAL outsourced theirs. However if I am not mistaken AMFA had an opportunity to change the language of the contract when they negotited the one they are under now. Seems to me that it would have been in their own best intrest to have done so.

 

[Decision 2004]

Ken:

Yes, I realize that the original outsource limits were negotiated by the IAM and it was under the IAM that UAL outsourced theirs. However if I am not mistaken AMFA had an opportunity to change the language of the contract when they negotited the one they are under now. Seems to me that it would have been in their own best intrest to have done so.

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Does the same apply to the TWU and the many chances to correct the SRP Payrate, the Flex over Benefits, the Pre-Funding of Retirement Health, the out-of-pocket LTD, and the many other TWU concessions?

Or are you one that will not hold your own union to the same standard you wish AMFA to uphold?

 

[Bob Owens]

Ken:

Yes, I realize that the original outsource limits were negotiated by the IAM and it was under the IAM that UAL outsourced theirs. However if I am not mistaken AMFA had an opportunity to change the language of the contract when they negotited the one they are under now. Seems to me that it would have been in their own best intrest to have done so.

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At the time pay scales were the overriding concern, AMFA was under pressure from the NMB for being too agressive and they ended up under a PEB. Despite that they delivered and raised the standard for airline mechanics by $10/hr. Over $5/hr more than the IAM claimed was possible.

 

[777 fixer]

Does the same apply to the TWU and the many chances to correct the SRP Payrate, the Flex over Benefits, the Pre-Funding of Retirement Health, the out-of-pocket LTD, and the many other TWU concessions?

Or are you one that will not hold your own union to the same standard you wish AMFA to uphold?

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Decision 2004:

If you read my original post on this thread you would realize that I have no love for the TWU. So before you go implying that I'm some sort of TWU drone do your homework first.

 

[Bob Owens]

Decision 2004:

If you read my original post on this thread you would realize that I have no love for the TWU. So before you go implying that I'm some sort of TWU drone do your homework first.

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Yes. as remarkable as it sounds there are management types that dont like the TWU either.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

What's that sound? DEAFENING SILENCE!

Why isn't the twu democratically set up so that ALL officals, both local & international, are elected by the full membership?

Is it that the twu zealots already know the answer is that the twu is NOT democratic and international officals are APPOINTED and not elected? Come on twu supporting alias using cowards... the truth will set you free.

 

[777 fixer]

Yes. as remarkable as it sounds there are management types that dont like the TWU either.

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Let me guess Bob. You are either trying to imply that I'm a former AA AMT that has joined the dark side, i.e. management. Or that I'm some sort of management stolie. How original. If I'm mistaken you were not implying either my apologies.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Still no answer from the twu inept? The truth hurts, doesn't it.

When do we get to vote for gless, little & yingst next? Oops, that's right, they are APPOINTED not ELECTED by the full membership. That's twu democracy for you!

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

When do we get to vote for gless, little & yingst next? Oops, that's right, they are APPOINTED not ELECTED by the full membership. That's twu democracy for you!

Is there anyone in the twu international who can direct an underling to answer this question?

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Come on twu supporters. Proove to everyone on this BB that you are not really stupid and ignorant. Answer the question of this thread with the truth and not the standard twu lies and half truths.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

What's wrong twu supporters? 😛h34r:

 

[Wretched Wrench]

Ken, the TWU will soon be electing delegates to the rubber stamp International convention. How about someone besides yes-men running? I believe each local president goes and maybe another one or two. I suspect that the local president will outnumber the elected delegates, anyway, so maybe it will be another rubber stamp event.

 

[AMFAMAN]

Ken, the TWU will soon be electing delegates to the rubber stamp International convention. How about someone besides yes-men running? I believe each local president goes and maybe another one or two. I suspect that the local president will outnumber the elected delegates, anyway, so maybe it will be another rubber stamp event.

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No election at my local despite motion to have a delegate elected. Sorry it will be an "appointed stooge."

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Ken, the TWU will soon be electing delegates to the rubber stamp International convention. How about someone besides yes-men running? I believe each local president goes and maybe another one or two. I suspect that the local president will outnumber the elected delegates, anyway, so maybe it will be another rubber stamp event.

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WW, the twu says they are democratic. Funny thing is though I can't seem to put "rubber stamp" together with DEMOCRACY. Is the twu wrong or are the members wrong?

Our local has Mark Rasco as our president. Maybe he will vote against yes men? But how will we know how the local delegates voted? We don't. Another twu smoke & mirror act.

Put uccountability and democracy back into unionism. VOTE AMFA!