Democracy

[Ken MacTiernan]

Why do you twu supporting, alias using cowards continue to ignore the true answer to my question?

Why are not all twu international officers elected by the full membership?

The truth hurts doesn't it?

 

[AirLUVer]

Why do you twu supporting, alias using cowards continue to ignore the true answer to my question?

Why are not all twu international officers elected by the full membership?

The truth hurts doesn't it?

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Ken - the pilots did not vote OUT John Darrah. He decided not to run again for office at APA.

 

[AMFAMAN]

At least you have that option, ours don't run, their appointed for life.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Ken - the pilots did not vote OUT John Darrah. He decided not to run again for office at APA.

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Good. But I believe Darrah was in an election that involved the membership to vote for him or against him when he did run. In the twu, jim little, gary yingst, bobby gless, and even dennis burchette (before he left the international), were NEVER elected by the full membership. These men (?) were APPOINTED! However, twu clones claim the twu is democratic. The twu lies.

In AMFA ALL officers are voted into office by the full membership. I NEVER voted for jim little or the other "appointed officers". jim little promised me a FULL REVOTE but I never got one. I can't vote little out of office so what does that make the twu? A scumbag outfit, that's what.

Look at how many views this thread has had and how long it has been since I opened it. The twu can't answer the question because the truth will burn them. Like Holy Water on a vampire!

The twu... an organization of APPOINTED international officers... for life!

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

The twu is AFRAID! Pure and simple.

Come on now little, gless, yinst, hall. Tell everyone how you were elected by the full membership. And while you are at it little, tell everyone how you promised a FULL REVOTE because the company lied to us.

The twu... an organization that runs from the truth. Because the truth hurts!

 

[seed]

Ken, your disgust with the TWU obviously consumes your every moment. Shame, life is to short to allow events to overcome you. Not meant as a slam, simply an observation.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Ken, your disgust with the TWU obviously consumes your every moment. Shame, life is to short to allow events to overcome you. Not meant as a slam, simply an observation.

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seed, no problem. Yes, I am disgusted with the twu's undemocratic industrial union practices. However, do not mistake my steadfsat conviction to correct what is wrong in my profession as a consumtion.

I merely am more vocal than others. Look at the 8 airlines that AMFA represents. AMFA did not become these airline's representative because of one or two individuals. AMFA won representation because the majority of eligible voters voted YES to democracy & accountability in a Craft union. Certain individuals at each of these airlines were more vocal than others and had the conviction to do what was necessary to gain better representation. That included true information. This thread I started asked for a answer from any twu supporter. The twu says they are democratic and are accountable. I say the twu is neither of these. No answer is coming from twu supporters. Why?

Life is short. You are correct in that statement. Life should also be lived with democracy & accountability.

 

[BillLumbergh]

Hasn't this thread run its course?

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Hasn't this thread run its course?

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Not till the twu supporters admit the twu is NOT democratic. Like they say it is. But then that would mean the twu supporters are liars. And twu supporters would never lie. Right? 😛h34r:

 

[Bob Owens]

Ken, the TWU will soon be electing delegates to the rubber stamp International convention. How about someone besides yes-men running? I believe each local president goes and maybe another one or two. I suspect that the local president will outnumber the elected delegates, anyway, so maybe it will be another rubber stamp event.

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The number of delegates are determined by the number of members in the local, however at the 2001 Convention many locals brought "alternates" who sat right there on the Convention floor where they could illegally participate in the voice voting. Sonny claimed he did this because he did not see any point in seperating friends.

For now we are stuck with the TWU so we should be sure that real representatives who are not afraid to stir the pot go. Nominate and elect people who have no interest in moving up through the organization and have them contact Local 100 in order to get Sonny's lapdog O'Brien out, once he is out then there goes the whole house of cards-Little, Yingst, Gless etc would be history. This way at least when we do leave our coworkers in other department might have a chance.

 

[eolesen]

Not till the twu supporters admit the twu is NOT democratic. Like they say it is. But then that would mean the twu supporters are liars. And twu supporters would never lie. Right? 😛h34r:

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Sorry, but I don't see where USAviation is also the Ken McTiresome Blog....

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Sorry, but I don't see where USAviation is also the Ken McTiresome Blog....

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Let's see. This is a public web site where AMTs can go and ask questions and communicate. But since I ask a question of a self serving, inept industrial , undemocratic union you accuse me of using it as my personal blog?

Perhaps you should ask yourself why the twu doesn't answer the question. But then again, your using an alias while purposely mispelling my name should indicate your professionalism. Is there something about the answer about the twu's "democratic" ways that you fear?

 

[eolesen]

Problem is that this thread over the past two weeks has been mostly you responding to yourself, with the occasional group-hug from like minded people.

That's not a discussion. It's blogging with encouragement.

Move on already.

 

[FWAAA]

Perhaps you should ask yourself why the twu doesn't answer the question. But then again, your using an alias while purposely mispelling my name should indicate your professionalism. Is there something about the answer about the twu's "democratic" ways that you fear?

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🙄

I don't get your obsession with other members of this website using an "alias" instead of their real name.

I mean, the owners of this site are supportive of users not being outed - they (and nearly every other IBB in the world) permit people to register user names that are not their real names.

Other than you and Mr Owens, I'm hard pressed to think of any other regular AA posters who use what could be their real name.

So are you and Mr Owens the only people of integrity or professionalism here? What about all the other Pro-AMFA members? Are they lacking in professionalism or integrity because they post under an "alias"? I haven't counted, but it appears that nearly all pro-AMFA and pro-TWU posters here don't use their real name.

And it's not like you don't know Former ModerAAtor's real name - after all, it's not like it's never been used on this or other websites as a user name.

I'm curious - do you give Decision2004 (or AMFA**** or RV4 or whatever he calls himself this week) a hard time for not posting under HIS real name? If not, why not? Is it possible that maybe you and Mr Owens made the poor choice in using your own names and that nearly everyone else here (all those terrible alias using members) made the right choice?

A simple search shows that you have used the term "alias" in more than 125 of your posts. The term "broken record" comes to mind. But, of course, you're free to post whatever you want, even repetitious material.

Anyway, good luck with the AMFA v. TWU thing.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

Problem is that this thread over the past two weeks has been mostly you responding to yourself, with the occasional group-hug from like minded people.

That's not a discussion. It's blogging with encouragement.

Move on already.

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I have three choices with Ken's posts:

1. Read them

2. Don't read them.

3. Click on "ignore", and never even see them.

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Oh yeah, there is a fourth choice.................complain a lot on the forum.

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Ken has a messianic zeal for AMFA, which may be off-putting to some. But, like it or not, he tells the truth.

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