DON'T GET REAMED.......

[Bob Owens]

I hear ya, Bob.....It just worries me how many people will play into the worst case scenario fear factor.

Well most of us have been through a few contract cycles here at AA now, hopefully we've learned a few things along the way such as the ATDs soft sell approach towards concessions. One thing I'm pretty sure of is that if the company was doing away with Check-off they would have a much different approach. Everyone needs to remember that the guys pushing the yes vote with their edited charts do not have to live under the deal. They will continue to get big raises every year, have the Union pay for their cars and fly around in positive space first class for them and their families. They wont face elections and they will say "dont blame the International for this, this is what your elected representatives negotiated and you approved it. we saw it in 1995 and we saw it in 2003.

Bankruptcy is supposedly about getting rid of onerous deals that prevent a company from competing effectively, not about setting labor rates below industry standards. So why didnt the International send out a side by side comparasion between AAs term sheet and what UAL has? Thats what will or should end up happening in court. Thats more than likely what the Pilots and Flight Attendants will be doing in court. Because they want us to pass this just like all the other crappy deals they have put in front of us. Jim Little said he will "Fight Like Hell", well call him on it, get your $600 worth and vote NO.

 

[Hopeful]

Jim Little said he will "Fight Like Hell", well call him on it, get your $600 worth and vote NO.

Quite ironic with all his tough talk, Little fought like hell to make sure we vote. But it's a YES vote he's fighting for.

 

[Hopeful]

For those who don't know yet, BallotPoint is the firm overseeing the vote.

 

[TWU informer]

Quite ironic with all his tough talk, Little fought like hell to make sure we vote. But it's a YES vote he's fighting for.

What is typical of James C Little, is one week he is on a video screaming that what is going on inside the Bankruptcy Court walls is a crime and there should be tape around the Court Building and AA Headquarters, then the next week spreading FEAR trying to get a YES vote on largest concession known to man. Let's face it the guy was an AA Supervisor, then got his dispatch license, then became a Local President, then the ATD Director, then right after the 2003 "Without Further Ratification" sign off on the 2003 deal he was APPOINTED International President. There is CRIME going on alright, but it is within the TWU not the court system.

To top that he steals your hard earned money to give to Polticians so that we have a voice in the political arena. Yet that same arena is where these laws that he claims is a crime has come from. The man is just plain ignorant and speaks out both sides of this mouth. We have no voice in the Poltical Arena, We have not saved jobs giving up concessions, We have not truned AA around by giving up concessions, All we have done is waste our hard earned money on a corrupt and one-sided political system, and gave bonus awards to management so they would not leave AA, and yet they have this company where it is today. now you tell me James C Little, exactly where is the crime really taking place? On your watch that's where!

 

[Hopeful]

Sadly, I've been talking to co-workers here and there who are either leaning towards a yes vote, or outright say they are a yes vote.
There will always be those who openly say they voted NO, but when you see the tally of any vote, the results are nothing what the sentiment indicated.

Like the 2003 concessionary contract....EVERYBODY you spoke to voted NO...And we all know how that evolved.

As for Little.....his job is done...He guaranteed us a VOTE, and by God, we are going to vote...
If the result is a YES....He'll say "Well you guys voted it in."
If the result is a NO...The judge will abrogate and he'll say "Well you guys voted no, blame the judge."

 

[TWU informer]

Sadly, I've been talking to co-workers here and there who are either leaning towards a yes vote, or outright say they are a yes vote.
There will always be those who openly say they voted NO, but when you see the tally of any vote, the results are nothing what the sentiment indicated.

Like the 2003 concessionary contract....EVERYBODY you spoke to voted NO...And we all know how that evolved.

As for Little.....his job is done...He guaranteed us a VOTE, and by God, we are going to vote...
If the result is a YES....He'll say "Well you guys voted it in."
If the result is a NO...The judge will abrogate and he'll say "Well you guys voted no, blame the judge."

I think you are wrong and need to get a more positive outlook about your Union brothers.
The sky is not falling. Indeed there are YES voters, but look at myself as an example, I voted yes on the T/A but I am HELL NO on this garbage.

Try getting a "glass is half full" approach to life and you will live longer and not end up being tormented by a speculative mind that is making your world suck.

 

[Hopeful]

I think you are wrong and need to get a more positive outlook about your Union brothers.
The sky is not falling. Indeed there are YES voters, but look at myself as an example, I voted yes on the T/A but I am HELL NO on this garbage.

Try getting a "glass is half full" approach to life and you will live longer and not end up being tormented by a speculative mind that is making your world suck.

Very good advice. It's not that I always have such a dismal outlook. But in this case, just to hear the way the few people I spoke to are weakening their resolve, makes me wonder that they are not alone in their sentiment.
Like I have stated in many a post, I can understand why someone would be a YES vote, but I strongly disagree with it. All I can do is try to give the alternate scenario to their way of thinking.
What I usually get as a response is "Well you have the seniority, we don't."
I realize sometimes I give the impression that I am surrendering the fight. Not true..I have just been around this earth long enough to tolerate and respect those who have opposing opinions.

I always tell them to look at those PanAm, Eastern and TWA guys still working for AA and other carriers, and remind them that is their future. Working into their late 60's and even 70's out of necessity.

 

[wrencher]

Yes I am one of those and I am telling all its time for several family days to occur. If you don't teach history history will repeat itself

 

[Frank Szabo]

Yes I am one of those and I am telling all its time for several family days to occur. If you don't teach history history will repeat itself

Unless the benefit is to the twu international, the "Family Day" is the last thing little jimmy wants - people might compare notes and get on the same page.

 

[Buck]

Yes I am one of those and I am telling all its time for several family days to occur. If you don't teach history history will repeat itself

You funny, history repeating itself. That's like saying this contract is going to be different of those past.

 

[Bob Owens]

Sadly, I've been talking to co-workers here and there who are either leaning towards a yes vote, or outright say they are a yes vote.
There will always be those who openly say they voted NO, but when you see the tally of any vote, the results are nothing what the sentiment indicated.

Like the 2003 concessionary contract....EVERYBODY you spoke to voted NO...And we all know how that evolved.

As for Little.....his job is done...He guaranteed us a VOTE, and by God, we are going to vote...
If the result is a YES....He'll say "Well you guys voted it in."
If the result is a NO...The judge will abrogate and he'll say "Well you guys voted no, blame the judge."

Local 562 was well over 90% in both 2003 and 2010. So most of the guys at work who said they were voting No did vote No.

 

[Hopeful]

Local 562 was well over 90% in both 2003 and 2010. So most of the guys at work who said they were voting No did vote No.

I'm aware of the numbers....But 90% is not everybody....But enough splitting hairs here...
What makes this situation different, there is so much uncertainty and concern because of the unknown.

That's my point....People still fear the unknown.

 

[TWU informer]

I'm aware of the numbers....But 90% is not everybody....But enough splitting hairs here...
What makes this situation different, there is so much uncertainty and concern because of the unknown.

That's my point....People still fear the unknown.

Are you reallly speaking of others, or more so yourself?
I think you are expressing your own thoughts myself.

Nobody here has any control over what others fear or think.

 

[Buck]

I'm aware of the numbers....But 90% is not everybody....But enough splitting hairs here...
What makes this situation different, there is so much uncertainty and concern because of the unknown.

That's my point....People still fear the unknown.

What it takes is some form of leadership to quell that fear you speak of, not to propagate it.

 

[Bob Owens]

I'm aware of the numbers....But 90% is not everybody....But enough splitting hairs here...
What makes this situation different, there is so much uncertainty and concern because of the unknown.

That's my point....People still fear the unknown.

If you were out in the savanna and a Lion was looking at you as if you were lunch would you still be worried about "the unknown"? Look at what they are proposing, its a career killer. Six more years of this crap? To make matters worse it gives the company free reign on everything from cutting heads to outsourcing to bids to who works OT. Its not as if we are getting anything of value, we are committing to be the lowest paid in the industry we are losing the DB pension that we more than paid for with our Holidays, Vacation and sick time. They are actually taking another vacation week!!! On top of all that we are also agreeing to do whatever it takes to make AA "Best in class", as they insure we are worst in class. The deal is so bad even management described it as "ridiculously bad".