Doug sold us a bill of goods

[diogenes]

HP folks, it isn't the U employee attitudes that need to change. They kept the airline going from Wolf to Lakefield.

What they have wanted is a leader who would take advantage of U's strengths and operated the airline.

The U BOD made a decision years ago they were going to bust up labor.

They now have what they want.

I doubt the merger is going to change that.

You will recall the dismay expressed on this board with the retention of many U execs.

Now you understand why.

It is a shame, because I think U and HP could have created a viable product with moderate labor concessions versus the draconian cuts in place and on the planning board.

"The love of money is the root of all evil..."

 

[hulagirl]

Everyone should stop acting like Doug Parker is a union employee. He is a CEO. A CEO is never going to be a front-line employee. We will never be Santa Clause and the Elves having hot chocolate talking about how great the night went, all cozied up in our pajamas in front of the fire place. Our jobs are different, our priorities are different, our goals are different. Get over it....
In addition, the "happy employee" making or breaking a company is B.S. You either do your job, or get fired. That is the way it is here at West. Whether or not I like the decisions that are made by management is irrelevant. If I am miserable, I should not be working at the company. I simply do my job to the best of my ability and leave it when I leave the plane.
Mr. Parker keeps getting his nose in union business for what reason no one knows. These decisions are NOT his to make...

 

[Smartest Loser]

E--Trons

Yep, I am repairing those coffin makers. I just like to check in on the old crowd every once in awhile.

Looks like Doug has a new lap dog.

SL

 

[awausairtech]

IT’S TIME ( PARKEM FOR PARKER )

IT’S THE ONLY THING THE INVESTERS WILL UNDERSTAND!
PARKER CAN STICK THAT IAM CONTRACT!
( THE HOLIDAY’S ARE HERE! )

ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS A IBT CONTRACT!

 

[skyguy]

This new management IS the old managment; just with new names.
Told everyone to be guarded....Doug will show his true self and some are seeing it early. Its all about his shares and increasing shareholder value at everyone's expense.

Two weeks left for me.

two weeks and how many years to long?

 

[Whatnow?]

two weeks and how many years to long?

All I know is that without PITBULL we'd be in a FAR WORSE place right now as F/A's....Good job PB! You're fire will surely be missed around here! Nobody here seems to have the passion for the job you did, I think we are all in for a bumpy ride! B)

 

[High Iron]

HP folks, it isn't the U employee attitudes that need to change. They kept the airline going from Wolf to Lakefield.

What they have wanted is a leader who would take advantage of U's strengths and operated the airline.

The U BOD made a decision years ago they were going to bust up labor.

They now have what they want.

I doubt the merger is going to change that.

You will recall the dismay expressed on this board with the retention of many U execs.

Now you understand why.

It is a shame, because I think U and HP could have created a viable product with moderate labor concessions versus the draconian cuts in place and on the planning board.

"The love of money is the root of all evil..."

Quite right...dead-on. The shills know this as well; this is why they deliberately "talk past" the nitty gritty mechanics of the debate, distort, and put up desperate strawmen arguments, as it is easier in their minds to present this as a "you're with us or against us" issue in a pathetic attempt at claiming some moral high ground.

I remember a post months past ( yours? ) stating where some business seminar detailed that a concerned/thinking/knowledgeable employee was a hidebound management's nemesis. Reviewing these relations over the years in most all industries, this seems to be absolutely true.

 

[diogenes]

Thank you,high iron

Yes, I received a breathless publication from Haaa-vad Business School stating employees genuinely concerned about the company can impede change the most - a verrrry bad thing!

As if change, in and of itself, is a good thing.

If U had management at the helm in '99 that wanted to improve the business plan rather than force employees to subsidize a failing one, that would have also constituted change, yes?

I bet concerned employees would have gotten behind a change like that! !

 

[AIRWOMAN]

This should put even more emphasis on getting the cards signed so we can have a vote!! Maybe if the employees shown an interest, people will recognize that. Ya think?? I sure don't want to just roll over and accept what is given.........there's been too much of that in this industry already.

 

[Phantom Fixer]

This should put even more emphasis on getting the cards signed so we can have a vote!! Maybe if the employees shown an interest, people will recognize that. Ya think?? I sure don't want to just roll over and accept what is given.........there's been too much of that in this industry already.

AIRWOMAN,

I agree that a Unified Workforce would force Corporate America to rethink how they are doing things..and especially how they are treating us. However..signing cards isn't going to do or change one damn thing , as its hollow , and Management knows it.

Look at whats going on at NW in regards to the AMFA Strike for example. The so-called unified mechanics are being replaced with scabs..and AMFA members are crossing the line too. Sad Commentary...but it all plays into their managements hands.

Look at the hollow threat of DL's Pilots going on strike in light of DL seeking to break their contract. The DL Pilots just like the U pilots before them will capitulate. Most know that a Strike will likely kill off the company..and with it , their still 6 figure jobs even after more concessions. Sad but true.

The only way laboring America is going to get any leverage against the Robber Barrons of Corporate America is to speak with one voice...not multitudes of voices and seperate representatives being those voices.

Think what you will in the great debate over IBT Vs. IAM...when the dust settles , we are all still going to be victims of a system that has been created based on greed from both sides.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

AIRWOMAN,

I agree that a Unified Workforce would force Corporate America to rethink how they are doing things..and especially how they are treating us. However..signing cards isn't going to do or change one damn thing , as its hollow , and Management knows it.

Look at whats going on at NW in regards to the AMFA Strike for example. The so-called unified mechanics are being replaced with scabs..and AMFA members are crossing the line too. Sad Commentary...but it all plays into their managements hands.

Look at the hollow threat of DL's Pilots going on strike in light of DL seeking to break their contract. The DL Pilots just like the U pilots before them will capitulate. Most know that a Strike will likely kill off the company..and with it , their still 6 figure jobs even after more concessions. Sad but true.

The only way laboring America is going to get any leverage against the Robber Barrons of Corporate America is to speak with one voice...not multitudes of voices and seperate representatives being those voices.

Think what you will in the great debate over IBT Vs. IAM...when the dust settles , we are all still going to be victims of a system that has been created based on greed from both sides.

So how do you, or anyone else, propose that the work groups become unified?? It's EVERYONE that's NOT together. I can't find one group that is together. And you don't think that "management" thinks that's great?? So what other choice do we have?

I don't know what to think about the great IBT/IAM debate. I don't see much togetherness with that either.

So are we all playing into the hands of management and living and breathing and acting the separate, disgruntled groups........just like they want?

I wish I had a magical answer but as I see it, until ALL the facts are layed out.......who's covered, who's not covered, who falls into what catagory, who's union will be the surviving union and on and on and on...........who knows?? Surely not I.

Best of luck to all of us.........East, West, North and South and everyone in between.

 

[The End]

Why doesn't labor have a company wide sick day? It would certainly change the complextion of future negotiations wouldn't it. The End

 

[tokerboy]

Why doesn't labor have a company wide sick day? It would certainly change the complextion of future negotiations wouldn't it. The End

If we did, we would post it here. Because everyone knows that there are no corporate stooges watching these forums.... 😛h34r:

 

[PITbull]

two weeks and how many years to long?

Up yours.

 

[EricLv2Fish]

So are we all playing into the hands of management and living and breathing and acting the separate, disgruntled groups........just like they want?

Best of luck to all of us.........East, West, North and South and everyone in between.

Believing the company want's disgruntled employees....at the expense of running a profitable business? I suppose it's possible but is it realistic? Over the past few weeks of reading posts by the different groups it's sad to say that all the finger pointing, blaming, and scaything name calling is downright depressing. Currently I'm a happy non-management, non-union employee and quite frankly these groups are not giving us non-union folks much to look forward to if non-union groups unionize. If things don't change many of us will say....keep the slightly higher pay, and the attitudes! Give me sanity!