EAST saves West's BUTT today!

[Dog Wonder]

Merry Christmas 700. Keep on.

 

[rjh]

Was these company actions responsive (resulting from irregular operation) or planed (with out an irregular operation.) The same answer may apply to the DCA flight and one or two others, but all of the flights.

Yes, it was responding to an irregular operation--as has been stated many times in this thread, it was due to numerous aircraft out of service. Even though it was organized the day before the actual flying began, it was still in response to an irregular op.

What other reason would there be to do such a thing? Obviously, it did not save money, because we pay protected the crew members that were supposed to operate the scheduled flights.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Merry ChristMas to you Bob.

 

[700UW]

Bye bob,

Maybe you can go to thier message board and show them how you know it all and you are not even an airline employee.

 

[rjh]

Bye bob,

Maybe you can go to thier message board and show them how you know it all and you are not even an airline employee.

You don't need to work for an airline to have common sense.

 

[allunionsdeceive]

So where does this money go after the greivance is paid? To the flight attendants that already got the day off with pay? To the union in genearl . .for what??????????

Once again, that leaves less cash to pay for raises to ALL employees. It all adds up!

they will not have any money due to it was not a violation. have a lot of knowledge about this it happened before the merger and will continue to happen. AFA has no grouds for this one.
get the full facts

Don't like the truth?

Use the ignore feature.

you dont know the truth or the facts for that matter.if your not in the know go back to what you do know that would be is how to be a union sheep

 

[EricLv2Fish]

Bye bob,

Maybe you can go to thier message board and show them how you know it all and you are not even an airline employee.

Bob provides valuable insight into the customer's perspective. We should never lose sight of the customer. If a contract clouds that sight it should be rethought and renogatiated for the sake of the customers. Without the customers there will be no company or employees.

 

[700UW]

If a contract clouds that sight it should be rethought and renogatiated for the sake of the customers.

That is the most ignorant statement I have ever read on this board.

A written agreement or contract arrived at as the result of negotiations between an employer and a union. It usually contains provisions on conditions of employment and the procedures to be used in setting disputes during the term of the contract.

A Contract is to determine, wages, benefits and work rules between the employers and employees.

It is to ensure the company functions properly and the employees are able to support themselves and their families, not renegotiated to subsidize ticket prices when fuel goes up or overcame the the horrendous mistakes made by management. Companies have used the bankruptcy process for that very sake.

I did not see the passengers willing to fork over more money for tickets when fuel went up or when 20,000 US Airways employees lost their jobs, or when we lost our pensions and took four pay cuts.

Eric you are seriously out of touch.

 

[allunionsdeceive]

what, you have nothing else to say about the original topic.

 

[gonzo]

Bye bob,

Maybe you can go to thier message board and show them how you know it all and you are not even an airline employee.

Mr. 7.... Bob has provided some very use full honest information. It would be "stretching" the truth if I was to say that about you.

 

[700UW]

Gonzo,

Glad to see you return, ibt provide you with new false information to post?

Have not seen you in a while.

 

[gonzo]

Gonzo,

Glad to see you return, ibt provide you with new false information to post?

Have not seen you in a while.

Remember Mr. 7 there is life outside this board.

 

[HPGUY]

Thank you for posting this list.

This grievance is not only about the DCA flight, but also all the others (including the ones you listed.)

Part of the question has to do with company convince. The amount company pre-planning that went in to these trips would be a significant consideration for any reasonable arbitrator. Was these company actions responsive (resulting from irregular operation) or planed (with out an irregular operation.) The same answer may apply to the DCA flight and one or two others, but all of the flights.

Doug has not hid the fact during various conference calls and town halls the cost savings can be found by having crews work trips in each other's networks.

To be honest, we (west) thought that this issue would gain attention when west crews and aircraft started working trips in and out of east hubs. (For an example, instead of 24 hours in PIT, the crew would have an 18 hour lay over and then work a PIT-BOS turn before working the PIT-PHX/LAS...) Some west FAs have expressed reluctance to working west aircraft on any east route while east FAs are out of furlough. (And such leads to other questions such as, what happens with seniority when a furloughed east FA works said trip while also being an active west FA...)

east and west FAs ought to be very concerned about the company's actions here.

(PITbull... any thoughts?)

I don't get AFA's gripe. The AWA AFA contract section 1 has a entire paragraph about subcontracting. It says AmericaWest can hire another airline to do it's flying as long as they use their own equip and own employees.

Is AFA saying the intent of section 1 is that AmericaWest can hire a competing airline to do it's flying but not our teammates?

 

[delldude]

Gonzo,

Glad to see you return, ibt provide you with new false information to post?

Have not seen you in a while.

been at teamsters training center for a month....
looks like it helped....

 

[EricLv2Fish]

I did not see the passengers willing to fork over more money for tickets when fuel went up or when 20,000 US Airways employees lost their jobs, or when we lost our pensions and took four pay cuts.

Eric you are seriously out of touch.

Out of touch? Passengers could careless about contracts. They could careless about your unfortunate situation. They are not responsible for your four paycuts. The airline environment is. If the customer and the competition is not considered in the business plan and the plan is not flexible to the changing environment the business plan will fail and noone will have jobs. Pretty simple. If you'd take your hardcore inflexible dark colored glasses off maybe you'd see some light. No offense intended and a Merry Christmas to you.