"Easties" out West

[IMisstheAladdinTrays]

More power to ya!!! Have your say and you vote!! That's the benefit of being in a union.

But someone answer me this. If I have a let's say a PHL BOS PHL turn open. And I can't call a reserve from home to do it and I can't tag it. What does the company do with the the BOS turn?

Why can't you call a Reserve at home? That's what I thought Reserves where for. Tagging is a different thing all together.

 

[HPGUY]

They must remember that we, the FA's, are their customers. If my customers question me about a particular request I make onboard the aircraft, I am not allowed to yell at them or in anyway belittle them... so why should Crew Sched. do this? They work for US!

The Crew scheduler are supposed to be your teammates. If Crew scheduling is doing this all the time please have the tapes pulled. But I've already said this rarely happens because it also brings the FAs behavior under examination.

Why can't you call a Reserve at home? That's what I thought Reserves where for. Tagging is a different thing all together.

IMISS... the previous poster stated that she didn't want to come in from home for just for 1 hour turn. And she didn't want to be tagged.

 

[IMisstheAladdinTrays]

The Crew scheduler are supposed to be your teammates. If Crew scheduling is doing this all the time please have the tapes pulled. But I've already said this rarely happens because it also brings the FAs behavior under examination.

I really do not care if the scheduler is as nice as pie...if I feel the contract is being violated I have a right to question it! They do not have a right to get snippy when I do so! I'm sure they get treated just how they treat others!

The Crew scheduler are supposed to be your teammates. If Crew scheduling is doing this all the time please have the tapes pulled. But I've already said this rarely happens because it also brings the FAs behavior under examination.
IMISS... the previous poster stated that she didn't want to come in from home for just for 1 hour turn. And she didn't want to be tagged.

Would you want to come to the airport for about $20.00 worth of pay? That is why the splits should pay a minimum day of at least 5:00 hours! Then we wouldn't mind coming to do a Lineholders 1st or last turn!

 

[2clippedwings]

More power to ya!!! Have your say and you vote!! That's the benefit of being in a union.

But someone answer me this. If I have a let's say a PHL BOS PHL turn open. And I can't call a reserve from home to do it and I can't tag it. What does the company do with the the BOS turn?

Use an "on-premises-reserve" (OPR as it's fondly known in the east).

 

[IMisstheAladdinTrays]

Use an "on-premises-reserve" (OPR as it's fondly known in the east).

That would work too!

 

[nyprincess]

More power to ya!!! Have your say and you vote!! That's the benefit of being in a union.

But someone answer me this. If I have a let's say a PHL BOS PHL turn open. And I can't call a reserve from home to do it and I can't tag it. What does the company do with the the BOS turn?

So lets just say you can't call the reserve from home because it's less than the min call out time. You would call out a HOT reserve which as stated above in another post is OPR from the east. That is what the HOT reserves are there for. Not to get extended to do a trip that someone at home could have been called out on. OPR's are only used when necessary as should the HOT reserves.

 

[HPGUY]

I really do not care if the scheduler is as nice as pie...if I feel the contract is being violated I have a right to question it! They do not have a right to get snippy when I do so! I'm sure they get treated just how they treat others!
Would you want to come to the airport for about $20.00 worth of pay? That is why the splits should pay a minimum day of at least 5:00 hours! Then we wouldn't mind coming to do a Lineholders 1st or last turn!

I've already replied to the first scenario a few times so I'll leave that be.

Ok let's tally the expectations of the flight attendants for the new "improved" contract. No tagging...Pay protection for loss of flight hours...and we're gonna pay twice the time a flight is worth when it's assigned to a reserve at home.

How realistic do you think it is that you will get all of these things? The FA group needs to right size their expectations.

If you expect not to be tagged... then you can also expect more people on reserve which means "tagging" antoher year or so on your reserve sit. If you expect to be pay protected to flight cancellations then you can expect that Lineholders (Blockholders) will be subject to reassignment. If you expect reserves to have a 5hr guarantee per day then you can expect partial AUTOs (drops) will not be an option.
And if you expect your pay scale to go up and get all these costly work rules... You can also expect to be disappointed.

I'm not saying don't go after any or all of these things. Because I would if I were in your shoes. I'm saying be realistic in your requests and know what you're asking for. When you tell your union rep what you want you need to ask what you might have to give up to get it.

So lets just say you can't call the reserve from home because it's less than the min call out time. You would call out a HOT reserve which as stated above in another post is OPR from the east. That is what the HOT reserves are there for. Not to get extended to do a trip that someone at home could have been called out on. OPR's are only used when necessary as should the HOT reserves.

Hot reserves are there for last minute sk calls and PLs etc which are numerous from the FA group.

The conversation you replied to was in reguards to an FA who didn't want to be called out for short turns or tagged. Now if we give all our short turns to the hot reserves. Who will be there for last minute absences or misconnects?

My point is you can't have both.. You can't not be tagged and not be called out for small turns.

 

[2clippedwings]

Hot reserves are there for last minute sk calls and PLs etc which are numerous from the FA group.

The conversation you replied to was in reguards to an FA who didn't want to be called out for short turns or tagged. Now if we give all our short turns to the hot reserves. Who will be there for last minute absences or misconnects?

My point is you can't have both.. You can't not be tagged and not be called out for small turns.

How about limiting tagging to ONE additional roundtrip/same day only/release within 4 hours of original release time/pay at 1 1/2 time? AND no calling scheduling to be released once that assignment is over.

 

[HPGUY]

How about limiting tagging to ONE additional roundtrip/same day only/release within 4 hours of original release time/pay at 1 1/2 time? AND no calling scheduling to be released once that assignment is over.

I think that's a realistic request. While still allowing for reserve utilization you may expect to see less AUTOs awarded. Why would the company give one FA time off at straight pay just to pay someone else time in a half?

 

[SKY HIGH]

And if you expect your pay scale to go up and get all these costly work rules... You can also expect to be disappointed.

sky high states: Works both ways, buddy. If management wants to see profits, stock value, labor harmony and good on-time, customer satisfaction stats, they better realize that some THE LOWEST PAID employees in the industry EXPECT.............BETTER!





ONLY stating opinions!

If a scheduler is rude to you I suggest you have the tapes pulled. An inflight sup can take care of this for you. But of course this request is rare from the crew members. Usually due to the fact that they themselves were "rude" at somepoint in the conversation.

sky high states: SUREEEEEEEEEEE, Rat on A CREW SCHEDULER with an attitude. Piss them off, and your next 10 years on reserve will be more hellish. BUF in January, Anyone???




Only stating an OPINION.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Something doesn't quite ring true here.....

In an average month, there's X hours of AUTOs awarded (which seems to be totally within the company's descretion), Y hours of sick/misconnect/etc, and Z hours of open time to be covered. There's also three "pools" of reserves to cover that time - HOTs (or OPRs in the East), those available to be tagged, and those on call.

While the company undoubtedly benefits from having great flexibility in using the reserves as it sees fit, this sounds like a failure to properly manage the reserve "pools" more than anything else. In other words, the reserves are paying for management laziness (or incompetence).....

Jim

 

[HPGUY]

sky high states: Works both ways, buddy. If management wants to see profits, stock value, labor harmony and good on-time, customer satisfaction stats, they better realize that some THE LOWEST PAID employees in the industry EXPECT.............BETTER!
ONLY stating opinions!
sky high states: SUREEEEEEEEEEE, Rat on A CREW SCHEDULER with an attitude. Piss them off, and your next 10 years on reserve will be more hellish. BUF in January, Anyone???
Only stating an OPINION.

So you expect all of those work rule changes and an up on the payscale?

And I have never known a crew scheduler to give an assignment out to tick someone off. You must realize that they don't want you ticked off because it just makes their job harder.

 

[nyprincess]

Hot reserves are there for last minute sk calls and PLs etc which are numerous from the FA group.

The conversation you replied to was in reguards to an FA who didn't want to be called out for short turns or tagged. Now if we give all our short turns to the hot reserves. Who will be there for last minute absences or misconnects?

My point is you can't have both.. You can't not be tagged and not be called out for small turns.

Then it should go to someone on reserve sitting at home. Something that was approved ahead of time shouldn't have to go to a reserve who is getting off a trip or a HOT reserve. Not to say I would want the small turn... :down:

 

[algflyr]

Then it should go to someone on reserve sitting at home. Something that was approved ahead of time shouldn't have to go to a reserve who is getting off a trip or a HOT reserve. Not to say I would want the small turn... :down:

You go girl... :jerry:

I love the show...

 

[nyprincess]

You must realize that they don't want you ticked off because it just makes their job harder.

Is that so.....I know for a fact that a fellow f/a called to tell scheduling that she was going to get something to eat. Scheduling then called her right as she was getting her food and started screaming asking what she was doing and why. Then told her to go straight to the gate because they have been waiting for her. Now the f/a never yelled back. Went to the gate and it wasn't due to arrive for 20 mins. So was this certain scheduler tryin to make her job easier? Tapes are in the process of being pulled!!!!