Feeling Of Entitlement

[usacrew3]

I just finished a conversation with a good friend and ex coworker regarding the sense of entitlement at US Airways.
At US Airways and many of the US carriers, schedules, positions and pay are based on seniority. When I was flying I regularly heard comments like, "Well you should have been here back when we had to do this and do that." Or comments like, " You think you have it bad, you should have been here when......"
Positions, promotions and pay should be based on job performance not based on the number of years you showed up for work.
US Airways has lost many talented individuals who could have contributed to the success of the company had they been recognized and not just treated like a number.
Years of service should be recognized as an individuals loyalty to the company, however, successful companies thrive when they invest in their employees and value their efforts.
Just my two cents, too late!

 

[700UW]

Make way for the butt kissers.

Seniority rules, it is the only fair and true system.

 

[PSA1979]

When listening to those "senior" f/a's talk about how it was back then, is like listening to your relatives talk about years past. You need to really listen and understand how it was back then. Compared to now, back then was hard. Those f/a's that you wish would just retire, fought hard to make this industry a career, not just a job for a few years.

In fact, this is what management is trying to take away from all of us. Years and years of bad contracts, working 8 legs a day, no perdiem, no duty rigs, no variable minimum, no time to buy food or even a place in the airports that sold food.

Weight restrictions, height restrictions, gender restrictions, marriage restrictions.... It's like the suffragists, thet fought long and hard for women's rights, and we all need to look back and thank them for what they did for us.

In the age of technology, life is a lot easier than it was without cell phones, beepers, even portable phones. Just think how it was in the 50's when they were stewardesses in high heels, gloves and perfect makeup and hair.

So, I guess the point here is we all could learn from those days. We don't want to go back to them, so we all need to fight to keep the little that we have!

 

[insp89]

I just finished a conversation with a good friend and ex coworker regarding the sense of entitlement at US Airways.
At US Airways and many of the US carriers, schedules, positions and pay are based on seniority. When I was flying I regularly heard comments like, "Well you should have been here back when we had to do this and do that." Or comments like, " You think you have it bad, you should have been here when......"
Positions, promotions and pay should be based on job performance not based on the number of years you showed up for work.
US Airways has lost many talented individuals who could have contributed to the success of the company had they been recognized and not just treated like a number.
Years of service should be recognized as an individuals loyalty to the company, however, successful companies thrive when they invest in their employees and value their efforts.
Just my two cents, too late!

[post="255762"][/post]​

Makes you wonder why people apply for a union job knowing what the union rules are, and then whine about it.

[Just like the guy that moves next to an airport and complains about the noise].

 

[calibrator]

Makes you wonder why people apply for a union job knowing what the union rules are, and then whine about it.

[Just like the guy that moves next to an airport and complains about the noise].

[post="255778"][/post]​

So True

 

[johnnyfleet]

Make way for the butt kissers.

Seniority rules, it is the only fair and true system.

[post="255764"][/post]​

Unless its the IAM, then its adjusted seniority for Fleet Service.

 

[blueoceans]

"Weight restrictions, height restrictions, gender restrictions, marriage restrictions.... It's like the suffragists, thet fought long and hard for women's rights, and we all need to look back and thank them for what they did for us

So, I guess the point here is we all could learn from those days. We don't want to go back to them, so we all need to fight to keep the little that we have! "

I've heard many stories & seen many interviews about flight attendants longing for the good ol' days of being a flight attendant back in the 50's and 60's. They talk about the gloves and the hats, and how their jobs were highly prized and included chic, stylish uniforms, travel and glamour. So, which was it? Hell or heaven?

 

[PSA1979]

I've heard many stories & seen many interviews about flight attendants longing for the good ol' days of being a flight attendant back in the 50's and 60's. They talk about the gloves and the hats, and how their jobs were highly prized and included chic, stylish uniforms, travel and glamour. So, which was it? Hell or heaven?

[post="255798"][/post]​

I also hear about people longing for the good old days, pioneer days that is. Now just how long could we last pumping water from a well, lighting the oil lamps, milking the cows, growing our food.

You need something from the store? Get on the horse and ride 10 miles to pick it up.

Heaven or hell? I think time clouds memories. Not for me though, I don't miss my feet hurting from the high heels and being so hungry I mix bullion with bloody mary mix, dropping into bed at midnight to get back up at 5am to start all over again.

I'll take the 2 or 3 leg days, now even 4 is not so bad. 10:15 rest sure beats 6:00. Please don't make me go back to the good old days!

 

[diogenes]

Pardon my 25 years on the job; I have an appointment with an ice floe in 3 months.

 

[robbedagain]

seniority may rule until your job is outsourced to a bunch of 8.00 an hr scabs who dont have any experience

 

[BoeingBoy]

PSA1979,

Personally, I think your original point is valid - the folks back in the 50's & 60's fought to make this a better career.

As for how good the "good old days" were probably depends on perspective. Flight crew that were at Pan Am in those days probably look back fondly on long layovers in first class hotels at exotic locales. Those from Piedmont remember making 8 stops between ILM and SDF in a DC-3.

Jim

 

[PSA1979]

The more I think about this, the madder I seem to be getting. How is being a loyal employee for 27 years, yeah showing up to work, (look at the seniority of those that call in sick over the Christmas Holiday and you won't see many 27 year f/a's) doing a good job and expecting the company I work for to treat me with respect, a "sense of entitlement".

I am entitled to the retirement I earned, I am entitled to the vacation I earned, I am entitled to work the trips my seniority could hold that I earned.

I already worked those holidays ( I still work most). When my son was little, I missed his birthdays, his school plays, family reunions, and get togethers. How many of our VP's have been with this airline for 27 years? How many of our managers have been here 27 years?

Since when did sticking with the same job for 27 years turn into a nuisance? Remember those gold watches the railroad engineers got when they retired at 25 years? Well, I must have gotten a gold goose, cuz that's all this "entitlement" person seems to have after all those years. BOHICA

 

[PSA1979]

PSA1979,

Personally, I think your original point is valid - the folks back in the 50's & 60's fought to make this a better career.

As for how good the "good old days" were probably depends on perspective. Flight crew that were at Pan Am in those days probably look back fondly on long layovers in first class hotels at exotic locales. Those from Piedmont remember making 8 stops between ILM and SDF in a DC-3.

Jim

[post="255820"][/post]​

Jim,
My Dad was one of those PanAm flight engineers on the DC3. He doesn't talk about those first class hotels, only all the work he had to do fueling the aircraft while the crew went into the airport at SNN for lunch. By the time he finished working, everyone got back on the airplane and off they went. Dad with stomach growling

 

[BoeingBoy]

PSA1979,

Assuming that "DC3" was a typo (maybe DC6, DC7, Connie, B707 - whatever PanAm flew in the 50's and 60's), I didn't mean to imply that every employee enjoyed the "good life". I did assume that the F/E's were treated like the rest of the crew, but was obviously wrong, and for that I apologize.

Jim

 

[Winglet]

Positions, promotions and pay should be based on job performance . . . .

[post="255762"][/post]​

To bad that principal isn't applied to U managerment and executives. If so, the company might not be just months away from liquidation.