Feeling Of Entitlement

[PSA1979]

PSA1979,

Assuming that "DC3" was a typo (maybe DC6, DC7, Connie, B707 - whatever PanAm flew in the 50's and 60's), I didn't mean to imply that every employee enjoyed the "good life". I did assume that the F/E's were treated like the rest of the crew, but was obviously wrong, and for that I apologize.

Jim

[post="255829"][/post]​

My bad, I meant to type DC6, actually a DC6-B. Gander, Newfoundland was one of his least favorite fuel stops, luckily when he fell off the wing in the sub zero temperature, it was into a snow bank

 

[BoeingBoy]

That's something I can sympathize with. In my former life flying DC-3's we had to put "wing covers" on when laying over up north in the winter. Picture 2 guys on the wing holding onto what was effectively a big sail in the "windy city".

😀

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Personally, I like hearing about the 'good ole days.' Keep in mind the people talking this talk are the same individuals who whole-heartedly took part in those 50 cent beer and wings specials at the Airways in BUF. Then had to be wheeled on the airplane because they couldn't walk. Damn! That was rough back then! 😉

 

[BoeingBoy]

Keep in mind the people talking this talk are the same individuals who whole-heartedly took part in those 50 cent beer and wings specials at the Airways in BUF. Then had to be wheeled on the airplane because they couldn't walk.

[post="255858"][/post]​

Ah, to be young and foolish again....

Jim

(On second thought, I might not survive the second time thru...)

 

[ALCARLOS]

The more I think about this, the madder I seem to be getting. How is being a loyal employee for 27 years, yeah showing up to work, (look at the seniority of those that call in sick over the Christmas Holiday and you won't see many 27 year f/a's) doing a good job and expecting the company I work for to treat me with respect, a "sense of entitlement".

I am entitled to the retirement I earned, I am entitled to the vacation I earned, I am entitled to work the trips my seniority could hold that I earned.

I already worked those holidays ( I still work most). When my son was little, I missed his birthdays, his school plays, family reunions, and get togethers. How many of our VP's have been with this airline for 27 years? How many of our managers have been here 27 years?

Since when did sticking with the same job for 27 years turn into a nuisance? Remember those gold watches the railroad engineers got when they retired at 25 years? Well, I must have gotten a gold goose, cuz that's all this "entitlement" person seems to have after all those years. BOHICA

[post="255822"][/post]​

When you work the same job year after year, its Ok but after a certain point there is no added value that is brought to the job. At that point, there should be not further increase in compensation. Its just business.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Its just business.

[post="255867"][/post]​

Like having your holiday schedule all set & then being told you need to work more. Phooey on that, it's just business.....

Jim

 

[PSA1979]

When you work the same job year after year,  its Ok but after a certain point there is no added value that is brought to the job.  At that point, there should be not further increase in compensation.  Its just business.

[post="255867"][/post]​

I guess if you're a drone or a robot. But human experience makes you grow and learn. If you don't, I feel sorry for you. Everyday I go to work, I learn something. And usually that something is how to be a better f/a and person.

Either the people I work with or our pax teach me something that I take with me. Obviously, you don't, growing is good, it comes with maturity. Don't worry honey, one day you will mature enough to understand.

 

[javaboy]

Pardon my 25 years on the job; I have an appointment with an ice floe in 3 months.

[post="255812"][/post]​

that glacier is my rise up the list.

 

[javaboy]

of course pay for performance applied like it is at other companies (non airline) where the more you produce the more you get (usually in the form of bonuses at years end)

well lets see keep it simple

if you carried 50 people in a Connie and you now carry 300 in an a330 then pay should be 600% more right? why not being more productive carrying more per plane than ever before yes?

and keeping in that theme since the bottom line has progressively gotten worse then upper mgmt whose job it is to oversee the deplolyment of company asets should actually be PAYING UAIR to work here since they (collectively speaking ) managed or lack there of to take a 6 billion dollar company to what 65million? and two trips to the BK court? pay for performance... that kind of performance should be rewarded EBBERS style......

 

[mweiss]

How is [being a good long-term employee] a "sense of entitlement".

It's not.

I am entitled to the retirement I earned, I am entitled to the vacation I earned, I am entitled to work the trips my seniority could hold that I earned.

Of course you are, at least within the terms of the contract.

How many of our VP's have been with this airline for 27 years? How many of our managers have been here 27 years?

They're on a different system than you. They were 27 years ago, and they still are. You knew that 27 years ago. Are you surprised that it didn't change?

Since when did sticking with the same job for 27 years turn into a nuisance?

[post="255822"][/post]​

It began to change around the early 80s.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

PSA1979,

Personally, I think your original point is valid - the folks back in the 50's & 60's fought to make this a better career.

As for how good the "good old days" were probably depends on perspective.  Flight crew that were at Pan Am in those days probably look back fondly on long layovers in first class hotels at exotic locales.  Those from Piedmont remember making 8 stops between ILM and SDF in a DC-3.

Jim

[post="255820"][/post]​

Jim,

I bet they still look back and say those were the good old days. Just like you will about today.. right? Those old exciting early 2000 days when you didn't know from one day to next if you had a job or was taking a paycut and if your co-workers were ok or ready to go over edge. They're coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA

 

[PSA1979]

It's not.
Of course you are, at least within the terms of the contract.

They're on a different system than you. They were 27 years ago, and they still are. You knew that 27 years ago. Are you surprised that it didn't change?

It began to change around the early 80s.

[post="255888"][/post]​

Actually 27 years ago at PSA the CEO was I believe Bill Shimp, who had been a pilot since PSA was founded in 1949 or so. He took over for J. Floyd Andrews who also started when the company was a newbie. Kenny Friedkin started up the airline
stayed in the upper tiers for years. Everyone in a management position had been there just about since the beginning or not that much later.

So, I did not know that then and I am surprised that it did change!

 

[BoeingBoy]

uvn,

For me and me alone, the days of worrying about whether I'll have a job or whether another paycut is coming are in the past. But that's only me....

Except for the vast majority of people I work with and the flying, there's not much about this job I'll look back on fondly. Now if you want to go back to the 80's, that's a different story.

Jim

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

When you work the same job year after year, its Ok but after a certain point there is no added value that is brought to the job. At that point, there should be not further increase in compensation. Its just business.

[post="255867"][/post]​

Really? No new contracts? No cost of living? Just keep falling back in your standard of living or in USAirways case if you work for them going back to the early 70's or 60's in the time span of a couple years.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

[post="255963"][/post]​

I agree with most of your post (I know you don't care)

But I am always being told I am negative about everything but that just isn't true. 99.99% of the times isn't always.

I like that you showed both sides. There are positve as well as negative points on everything and everything should be weighed and then a position taken. Maybe even a compromise or combination as you call it.

I am not sure why you thought it was against your better judgement to make this post but when you look at both sides letting reader make his own conclusions without presenting misinformation and keep out the the "I" it makes for a more thought provoking post.