Final pilot recalls

[a320av8r]

Company is sending out ~1700 recall letters.
This will be all the way to the end of the list.
You will either accept recall or forfeit recall rights.
Again, this from a very reliable source.
Looking for ~220 on this next recall for July time frame.

 

[Zarah]

Company is sending out ~1700 recall letters.
This will be all the way to the end of the list.
You will either accept recall or forfeit recall rights.
Again, this from a very reliable source.
Looking for ~220 on this next recall for July time frame.

Sounds like what they did for the FA recalls. x-number recall letters sent out and x-number of possible recalls sent out with responces being mandatory.

 

[BoeingBoy]

You will either accept recall or forfeit recall rights.

Not surprisingly, contrary to the contract - a furloughee is entitled to bypass recall to E190 F/O forever if he/she so chooses.

Jim

 

[nycbusdriver]

You will either accept recall or forfeit recall rights.
Again, this from a very reliable source.

Not surprisingly, contrary to the contract - a furloughee is entitled to bypass recall to E190 F/O forever if he/she so chooses.

Jim

Well, I don't care what the reliable source is. I believe the language in the contract is clear enough that an grievance/arbitration will allow pilots who don't want to come back to the E190 to keep their recall rights. I doubt the company will prevail on this one.

There's always the possibility, though, with Butkovic on the JNC, that the furloughees will again get thrown under the wheels to allow this to happen.

 

[Furloughedagain]

Nothing would surprise me, but i'd be extremely disappointed in ALPA if they allowed it to happen.

 

[Phoenix]

Nothing would surprise me, but i'd be extremely disappointed in ALPA if they allowed it to happen.

LOL. Is that to say you are not already extremely disappointed in ALPA?

The fact that pilots are not stacking up at the door to accept recal to their "Mainline" airline...

...that screams a message.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Company is sending out ~1700 recall letters.
This will be all the way to the end of the list.
You will either accept recall or forfeit recall rights.
Again, this from a very reliable source.
Looking for ~220 on this next recall for July time frame.

I believe there were only 5 vacant E-190 F/O positions on the last bid which furloughees can pass indefinitely on. If the 220 number is true, then approx 215 mainline positions will be open and it is those that will trigger the return or resign issue.

If they were recalling ONLY to the 190 then it would be a different story ......

 

[phasersonstun2]

I believe there were only 5 vacant E-190 F/O positions on the last bid which furloughees can pass indefinitely on. If the 220 number is true, then approx 215 mainline positions will be open and it is those that will trigger the return or resign issue.

If they were recalling ONLY to the 190 then it would be a different story ......

Correct. In fact, the company is expecting some F/O Intl. positions on the 76 and 330 to go to recallees.

 

[a320av8r]

Company is sending out ~1700 recall letters.
This will be all the way to the end of the list.
You will either accept recall or forfeit recall rights.
Again, this from a very reliable source.
Looking for ~220 on this next recall for July time frame.

I stand corrected (confused).
My source said recall to "mainline aircraft", I took it to mean all mainline. Source said E-190 recall could be bypassed and retain recall rights.
Sorry for the confusion.

 

[FLYLOW22]

What the hell is a recall or resign clause?

 

[BoeingBoy]

What the hell is a recall or resign clause?

Ya know, that's an interesting question.....

As I recall the contract language (since I no longer have access to the pilot's only site with the contract), there are two situations that enable a furloughee to bypass recall without giving up their seniority number.

1 - there is a pilot junior to them still on furlough, or

2 - the recall is to the E190 F/O position.

Somebody with access to the exact language please correct my recollection if necessary, because the above two situations present an interesting possibility.

What if the most junior furloughee only has the E190 F/O position available so passes on recall. That could mean that every other furloughee would have someone junior to them still on furlough, so everyone else could bypass recall to any position without giving up their seniority number.

Should be interesting.....

Jim

 

[nycbusdriver]

Correct. In fact, the company is expecting some F/O Intl. positions on the 76 and 330 to go to recallees.

This probably will occur, however accepting recall to an international F/O seat would almost inevitably mean ending up as an EMB 190 F/O as soon as the cold weather loomed and the seasonal pulldown occurred.

I don't really think this situation would last more than one winter season since things are beginning to move upwards at an accelerating rate. But one never knows what kind of crap one may encounter in this chicken-s*** outfit.

 

[Swaayze]

This probably will occur, however accepting recall to an international F/O seat would almost inevitably mean ending up as an EMB 190 F/O as soon as the cold weather loomed and the seasonal pulldown occurred.

What are the current restrictions on bidding for FO to FO? IOW, if I have only 757 available in my (Group 2 or better) recall class can I later bid down to Group 2 FO (for QOL and domicile) or am I stuck until displaced or upgraded? Also, I think I recall that the E190 seat lock is 12 mos, is that correct?


Thanks

I stand corrected (confused).
My source said recall to "mainline aircraft", I took it to mean all mainline. Source said E-190 recall could be bypassed and retain recall rights.
Sorry for the confusion.

Thanks for the update. So it sounds like they'll be doing it correctly even though they're sending out letters to all furloughees - starting at the top and bouncing off the bottom with "recall or resign" only on the way back up for G2 or better slots. Correct? I assume this is based on an upcoming bid alluded to in the Bloomberg article posted yesterday for 26/mo through year's end. Also correct?


Thanks again to you guys helping to keep us furloughees updated and informed.

 

[frqntflyer]

What are the current restrictions on bidding for FO to FO? IOW, if I have only 757 available in my (Group 2 or better) recall class can I later bid down to Group 2 FO (for QOL and domicile) or am I stuck until displaced or upgraded? Also, I think I recall that the E190 seat lock is 12 mos, is that correct?

So I don't understand something - if you have been furloughed - and aren't getting a paycheck - isn't being recalled to any flying position better than not getting paid? It seems to me that as US moves more and more to smaller aircraft - the chances of getting recalled to a larger aircraft keeps going down. Just trying to understand why someone who isn't getting a paycheck would be willing to continue doing that?

 

[careerfurloughee]

So I don't understand something - if you have been furloughed - and aren't getting a paycheck - isn't being recalled to any flying position better than not getting paid? It seems to me that as US moves more and more to smaller aircraft - the chances of getting recalled to a larger aircraft keeps going down. Just trying to understand why someone who isn't getting a paycheck would be willing to continue doing that?

Why would you assume a furloughed pilot isn't getting a paycheck?