Fleet Service topic IAM 141

[Hey.. Chill Out]

That's the nature of it Kev. I think the company gave up just enough table scraps for people to vote yes despite that fact.

Man they want these people gone!

 

[giantfan]

robbed again--see below:

Article 13 (Sick Leave) Will apply to West Employees on 1/1/2009. In addition, any remaining unused sick leave days from the Employee’s sick leave bank that were rolled over on January 1, 2007 and all unused sick days accrued in 2007 and 2008 by West Employee will be placed into the Employee’s sick leave bank.

Effective on OEI amend CBA as follows:

· Modify paragraph B so that the first three (3) days of each occurrence will be paid at fifty –percent (50%) and decremented at fifty-percent (50%) rate.

· Employees who have one hundred (100) or more days in their sick leave bank on the date of the sick leave occurrence will be paid one-hundred percent (100%) and one-hundred percent (100%) deducted from their sick bank.

· Employees hospitalized overnight within the first three (3) days of any occurrence will have applicable sick leave days paid at one-hundred percent (100%).

Please read the T/A before making comments. Although not perfect, this is an improvement in sicktime than what we have now.

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

i didnt see anything about improvement of the sick pay it appears it got worse--3 days of 50%pay that shouldnt be. the 60 day rule should be eliminated all together if I were in a hub, that would a NO VOTE!

Don't forget the 50% pay rate

Modify paragraph B so that the first three (3) days of each occurrence will be paid at fifty –percent (50%) and decremented at fifty-percent (50%) rate

How is that an improvement......50 % of the time is lost----then they take 50% of the rate as well......How lame is that!

 

[mike33]

Rook....I believe we get 50% of our raise 30 days after ( and if) we vote the TA in. and the remainder 6 months later. correct me if I'm wrong, please

Within thirty (30) days of ratification of this Agreement, these Employees’ pay rate will be
increased by fifty-percent (50%) of the difference between their then current pay rate and the
pay rate at their appropriate step of the pay scale under the CBA.
• Effective on the first Monday of the first pay period six (6) months from the effective date of
the first pay increase. Employee pay rates will be increased to one-hundred (100%) of the
difference between their then current pay rate and the pay rate at their appropriate step of the
pay scale under the CBA.

Read carefully.......eff date of first increase..not date of signing..adds alittle time. No big deal but read carefully. It's those little things that get buried and hidden

 

[Harry Callahan]

A "NO" for me. The outsourcing and 60 day rule language have to go. Try again. $19/hr is unacceptable, not to mention only 2 more holidays. Garbage, total garbage.

I agree 100 % here. Also to add my feelings/ If Mike F & Dave H will not sign off on this thing I'm with them & a BIG NO.
Thank you Mike F for your support of your brothers & sisters in CLT. We are proud of you.

 

[Kev3188]

That's the nature of it Kev. I think the company gave up just enough table scraps for people to vote yes despite that fact.

Man they want these people gone!

Well, they certainly did at NW. They made sure there were just enough people (between the hubs and larger stations) to insure that our equivalent of Field Stations would be outvoted no matter what. And guess what? Just like that 70+ cities closed.

People in the hubs make think they're immune, but the truth is they' re not. Everyone eventually is affected. It may not be immediate-it's more like a "death of a thousand cuts," but it happens. Senior people bumping in, the overall weakening of the union due to increased numbers, and a thousand other scenarios are possible. I guarantee some or all will occur.


Read carefully, Brothers & Sisters.

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

How would you suggest the union go about it then Kev? What can be done to prevent this disaster?

 

[The Bagfather]

Consider that an ok propisition, Customer service had to wait a year and their increases went in 25, 50, 75, and 100%

Just last December they were parody
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Chill: I regard this as just one of the little details we need to look at. First the
west CSA was not union so they really could have given them just about anything.
What this form of pay scale does is allow the contract to hold to suit the company's
need for a unified contract without having to actually pay the full terms of the
contract. There is probably some legal precident which allows this up to a certain point.

If the clock does't start till 30 days passed ratification. Jester could probably give
a more accurate comparison but I'm guessing this is about 7/12ths the loss that
west CSAs took.

 

[muircross]

muircross

Are you for real....yes, I am a secret spy working undercover for Canale....grow up!

I am not going to give you my history except to say I am a 30 year veteran and am an East guy.

It's funny how anyone who disagrees with the negative propaganda is viewed as a traitor. I'm just a guy trying to pay my bills. After reading these ridiculus arguments for so long I had to join up and try to be reasonable. It's funny tho...anyone who disagrees with common sense wants to ignore me. I bet your next....

Sounds like I hit a nerve, and for your information, I didn't express an opinion on the T/A just yet.

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

Consider that an ok propisition, Customer service had to wait a year and their increases went in 25, 50, 75, and 100%

Just last December they were parody

Chill: I regard this as just one of the little details we need to look at. First the
west CSA was not union so they really could have given them just about anything.
What this form of pay scale does is allow the contract to hold to suit the company's
need for a unified contract without having to actually pay the full terms of the
contract. There is probably some legal precident which allows this up to a certain point.

If the clock does't start till 30 days passed ratification. Jester could probably give
a more accurate comparison but I'm guessing this is about 7/12ths the loss that
west CSAs took.

Right, right. I didn't use that example to illustrate who lost what who gained what, I was just saying I'm glad we, in the west, could see parody much sooner than cust svc did! (even though its been like 3 years since the merger now). After all, that's why the union stormed out in the first place I'm told.

You guys gave up a lot, we understand, and I'm sure thats going to be an industry trend.

 

[mike33]

THE BREAKDOWN


Article 3 ( Recognition and Scope )

• Effective December 31, 2011, any of the following stations (ABQ, AUS, BUR, ELP, OAK,
OMA, ONT, RNO, SJC, SLC, SMF, PDX, MSP, MCI, MKE, SEA, DEN and SAN) may be
out-sourced if they fall below twenty-eight (28) weekly jet departures on an annualized basis.



Interpretation:

Kind of self explanatory. The question is, what do they consider jet departures? I believe the RJ's are not concidered Jet. OK Good enough.


Explanation of Example:

No where in any language do they address the Embraer 190. 11 first class/ 88 coach seats.

" US Airways begins taking delivery of 25 firm order E 190s with options for 32 additional jets ".

This contract should address the Embraer 190 for all of the protection of the field station on the oursourcing list. I understand the West Hub doesn't care but we in the field are worth 1200 votes. Think about it. The NC should have thought bout this A/C.

I can just see my station run E190's all day long with 4 east bound jets a day( 4 x 7 = 28 ) on an anualized basis. ( when you don't count xcld flt and sked adj, it could be less than 28 per week )

 

[Kev3188]

How would you suggest the union go about it then Kev? What can be done to prevent this disaster?

Short term: Vote no. Find out the exact "ask" for each item on the table. Find out exactly what you're getting in exchange for 19 cities to go "poof." Sick pay? Better work rules? 60 day rule eliminated? More holidays? Cheaper health benefits? More jobs in the surviving cities?

Remember, since the field stations are already on the payroll, they're basically "cost neutral." I mean it's not like the IAM went and asked for 19 stations to open.

I just read the T/A overview about the daily "Jet Departure" count, but I didn't see anything for the EMB's you guys have. Are they not covered? If not, why not? For that matter, what about any CRJ-900's Express flies? Do CRJ-200's count? Who knows? Over here, the EMB175's Compass flies for us count toward a station's weekly departures.

Medium/long Term: Find way to prove our value in the grand scheme of things. Yeah, we might not fix them or fly 'em, but we're just as integral as any other piece in the puzzle. This can be amplified at smaller cities where everyone does everything.

For too long the IAM has be reactive. It's time for them to be proactive. If the people in power are afraid to do so, the get out of the way and let others do it.

One giant thing that needs to be done is for the IAM to hire professional negociators (sp?). I am well aware that this is anathema to the way most of us think, but the days of "one of our own" getting us decent collective bargaining agreements have past. The fact is that however well intentioned/educated "our" guys are, the company has better resources. Toss in the fact that several of these folks become blinded by greed or their own agendas, and you have a recipe for disaster.

The next thing is to completely revamp the way officers are elected. The fact the Canale has been running 141 into the ground for so long (and DePace while he ran 143) is a disgrace. Lose the "white slate" or whatever it's called, and have real elections again. This also allows fresh blood to join the fray, while (hopefully) insuring that the incumbents don't fall into the stultifying complacency we usually see. While I'm at it, why is a UAL guy working on the US T/A?

Why is a Local Chair (Tim Nelson) having to drive from ORD to PIT to know what's going on? Why are guys like him-or anyone-who want to get involved procedurally blocked from doing anything more than local committee stuff?

Insure that the 100 Grand club actually still keeps their "day job" to the fullest extent possible (I realize that grievances, hearings, arbitrations, etc. can eat into that) to keep them grounded. Might make 'em think twice before foisting crap T/A's on us if they remember that they'll have to work under them too. I am no fan of AMFA, but this was one thing I really respected about them.

There's a couple for ideas for you....

 

[The Bagfather]

robbed again--see below:

Article 13 (Sick Leave) Will apply to West Employees on 1/1/2009. In addition, any remaining unused sick leave days from the Employee’s sick leave bank that were rolled over on January 1, 2007 and all unused sick days accrued in 2007 and 2008 by West Employee will be placed into the Employee’s sick leave bank.

Effective on OEI amend CBA as follows:

· Modify paragraph B so that the first three (3) days of each occurrence will be paid at fifty –percent (50%) and decremented at fifty-percent (50%) rate.

· Employees who have one hundred (100) or more days in their sick leave bank on the date of the sick leave occurrence will be paid one-hundred percent (100%) and one-hundred percent (100%) deducted from their sick bank.

· Employees hospitalized overnight within the first three (3) days of any occurrence will have applicable sick leave days paid at one-hundred percent (100%).

Please read the T/A before making comments. Although not perfect, this is an improvement in sicktime than what we have now.

Giant fan. It's not an improvement over the west FT. But to be fair west PT
gets no sick pay.

 

[The Bagfather]

THE BREAKDOWN


Article 3 ( Recognition and Scope )

• Effective December 31, 2011, any of the following stations (ABQ, AUS, BUR, ELP, OAK,
OMA, ONT, RNO, SJC, SLC, SMF, PDX, MSP, MCI, MKE, SEA, DEN and SAN) may be
out-sourced if they fall below twenty-eight (28) weekly jet departures on an annualized basis.



Interpretation:

Kind of self explanatory. The question is, what do they consider jet departures? I believe the RJ's are not concidered Jet. OK Good enough.


Explanation of Example:

No where in any language do they address the Embraer 190. 11 first class/ 88 coach seats.

" US Airways begins taking delivery of 25 firm order E 190s with options for 32 additional jets ".

This contract should address the Embraer 190 for all of the protection of the field station on the oursourcing list. I understand the West Hub doesn't care but we in the field are worth 1200 votes. Think about it. The NC should have thought bout this A/C.

Mike: Questions: Doesn't the east CBA say "mainline flights"? when they say" jet" IMO
that includes any "jet" an RJ is a jet. Also didn't the sept TA say mainline flights? OK
I'm going back to read it for myself.

 

[Rook]

Thanks all ,
I was just stateing that alot could change within that 6 month period, the CO. could come crying about high fuel cost and say that the classII's would have to wait another 6 months?
Got off the phone with Redeye and was told that Canale refuse to let him and Tim into the meeting!!
Canale said he didn't reconize Tim as a chairman
Rook