Fleet Service topic IAM 141

[pjirish317]

Having to wait another 6 months for the full amount is sure better than waiting another 3 years.
Especially since Ive been at this suck wage for nearly 4 years. Again if your in a class 1 you need to walk in our shoes for a while see how the other lowly half lives my friend.

For the record, I am in a class II station. So I have and continue to walk in your shoes!

 

[Couldbewrong23]

For the record, I am in a class II station. So I have and continue to walk in your shoes!

its so had to find truth in all these things, but to me the iam does not want to put a in any effort whats so ever. we cant even get a decent wage increase, they cant make any effort to protect cities. To me, the job of a union is to protect jobs, help people make a liveable wage and stop the kool aid drinkers from robbing us. its just my two sents but i might be wrong about a union, But i have to say the iam has to go, if they dont want to give us the effort for a decent wage and protect jobs, and alow to company to fart around more and allow the company to exstend stuff.

I think its time for us to show the iam the door and make sure the door hits them in the rear end hard.

In all my opion i think the west should be in section 6.

This is my two cents, and yes im a westie and at this time in moment the vote is no from me

IAM Has To GO!!!

 

[orioleman]

Fuzz,
"See this your chance to right that wrong when the guys voted for the 2 pay scales back than.
Just a thought."

Couldn't agree more. Just for the record . I voted NO and YES (for strike) . But when the great leadership comes around with

"live to fight another day ". this airline is going liquid . "the concession stand is closed" . I understand why people were confused and scared.

Now fastforward to now.. TOTALLY DIFFERENT SCENARIO but still some still think this all your going to get Obviously some on here have never bought a house

or a car or traded baseball cards.. SO if you guys what to see history repeat itself. Its your right as a member.. BUT I WILL BE NO PART OF IT...


VOTING H*LL NO

 

[Tim Nelson]

You know I just thought of something for you O man. See this your chance to right that wrong when the guys voted for the 2 pay scales back than.
Just a thought.

Henderfuzz,
Since mergers are now more than talk at this point and US AIRWAYS name has just popped up today as a nice pickup for AA or UA.

Let's say we vote this down. Then how does that equation work without Hemenway first getting us to remove the change of control which is a clear $21.43hr and up to $26 in 3 years?

I mean Hemenway's main job as the labor relations guy was to secure the removal of the change of control language in the midst of an imminent merger.

One thing people are forgetting is that the change of control has now been defined and tipped towards mergers as opposed to the bankruptcy list of investors. I mean, if Hemenway doesn't come back then this fleet service agreement is lethal to any merging partner.


To be sure, I'm not saying to leave the Change of control in since I think it would restrict an actual merger and I think that we really do need to be a dance partner. But I am saying vote out the contract, give up the change of control, if and only if, we can obtain a fair agreement. Fuzz, a fair agreement isn't one that puts you on the bottom in vacation/sick time and near the bottom in pay. This just isn't fair fuzz.

Give me your comments and discussion on what you see happening if there is a no vote and make sure you recognize an upcoming merger and the change of control language that is in the current contract.

One thing is for sure, The change of control is CLEARLY back in play since mergers will now happen quickly.

Tentative Agreement Summary Sheet

regards,

Tim Nelson
IAM Local CHairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Jester]

Another thing I'm going to expose is the fact that ALL of the west brothers and sisters will NOT be vested in the IAM Pension plan for 5 years. How's that for exposed. The only ones who were immediately vested were the ones who were active before DOS in 2003. Even on the east side. Many workers quit before they reach 5 years and unfortunately the poor fellas get screwed again and ARE NOT VESTED.
Did Randy tell you guys about how your company contributions into the IAM pension plan will be to the IAM and not you? and that unless you remain a member of the IAM for 5 years, you won't be finally vested?

Tim,

The five year standard for pensions is nothing new in most companies, unions, and even government agencies. In fact, most of the ones I know require ten years. Hell, even Social Security requires 40 quarters (10 years) to be qualified to collect Social Security benefits.

This isn't some huge injustice as you protray, but rather common in reality. Do I like it? Of course, not. But the sooner this TA is ratified, the sooner the clock could be running on Westies getting five years onto the pension.

And by the way, in an earlier post, you were dismayed on how the company contribution to the pension was not really the employees' money but rather it was controlled by the IAM. That's how most pensions work. Regardless if it is a company pension or an union pension. A pension is a different beast from a 401K which is owned an managed by the employee, "transportable" to another employer and does not require five years to be vested (although the employer often times has the right to re-claim employer contributions made to the IRA if the employee does not stay 5 years).

So let's cut the shrill over pension injustices for which either do not exist or so common as to be accepted practice.

So Suggest Jester.

 

[perserverance]

Buff and others- First off I joined this site when the last TA was
offered and also joined JPN to talk about the proposal not when the
New Direction Slate or the IBEW started.

Also the talk of I went through it at Piedmont...wait...when you came to
Air after 1989 you were all awarded day one sick time, seniority and
wages to mirror that. I take it you had no gripes then but now you want
to throw away 18 cities because if it happens, it happens. Once again you
will sit back and look to reep the rewards of the many. Stand your ground
and continue to stand in the minority. The majority of this work group knows
the difference between right from wrong and will once again vote NO. You can
continue to tell of your plight or you can see the way the vote is headed, get behind
it and help to make the changes to see a 80% yes vote in a different offer and not a
50% + 1 vote...........for this.

Many Piedmont workers are hard working union people and you just don't seem
to be one of them with the ''my and mine mentality.''

Thanks

 

[Tim Nelson]

Now with the merger imminent, we must revisit an old friend, Change of Control. Now the question isn't if US AIRWAYS is going to stand alone but rather who is going to pick it up?

Hemenway has a fleet service contract till 2009 but was compelled to come to us and try to peel off this change of control language.

In this context, the change of control has big teeth. Notice, the arbitrator further defined the COC and only ruled against it because the conclusion was that US AIRWAYS set up a series of investors not acting together. From the judgement,:

"...In seeking to raise capital, the Company shook a lot of different trees,
beginning in February of 2005.5 Prospective investors responded with a variety
of demands. Eastshore, an Air Wisconsin affiliate, committed to $125 million as
a debtor in possession. But the stipulation was that US Airways would use Air
Wisconsin as a US Airways express brand.6 An appeal to Republic Airways,
which involved the sale of slots at LaGuardia and DCA by US Airways to
Republic, was ultimately unproductive.7 Similarly, ACE Aviation invested $75
million, a commitment that included an agreement to perform maintenance work
for US Airways.8 Two private equity funds, Par and Peninsula, committed,
respectively, $100 million (a 10 percent ownership stake) and $50 million, (a five
percent ownership stake).9 A public-company investor fund manager,
Wellington, paid $150 million for a 13 percent ownership stake: It paid $16.50
per share, a premium price compared to prior investors. 10 The Tudor company
paid $65 million for a six percent share, which represented a still-higher price
than was paid by Wellington.
There is no evidence in the record that the disposition of stock to the
varied recipients was anything other than a series of unrelated bargains between
the Company and the individual investment entities. This is relevant to both the
nature of the purchase and the purchasers. If one may describe the buyers as a
group, they were surely not acting in concert: There is no evidence whatsoever
these investors somehow planned with one another to acquire an interest in US
Airways."

In the context of mergers, it seems more than reasonable to conclude that Hemenway can't walk away from the negotiations table without finishing up this housekeeping matter.
Fleet service's Change of Control may finally have the teeth it was suppose to have.

Vote the Wal Mart contract down and force Hemenway to give a more reasonable vacation schedule and a more respectable industry wage. Hemenway's hand is shown fellas, He has to get rid of this, he may have waited too long since now everyone admits the merger is going to happen.

Send the rag back because it is horrible. Give up the Change of Control for more favorable terms.

One thing I know, is that anyone who says the Change of control isn't worth anything is nuts. Not in this context of mergers.

The New Tentative Agreement Summary Sheet

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
email: appearances1@aol.com

 

[cltrat]

Tim didnt airbus throw a bunch of money at DP too?

 

[GoldenRam94]

Tim,

The five year standard for pensions is nothing new in most companies, unions, and even government agencies. In fact, most of the ones I know require ten years. Hell, even Social Security requires 40 quarters (10 years) to be qualified to collect Social Security benefits.

Exactly! You are not vested until 5 years into a pension, that is common, just another example of Tim twisting the truth. Sure 5 years seems like a scam, but it is what it is, and not some ploy by the IAM to screw over the workers.

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archive...oneymoon-i.html

Some interesting reading from the Union Coaition at United Airlines

United's unions say "honeymoon is over" for management

All the more reason to vote "NO" for this inadequate TA....

 

[mike33]

Looks like Tim is having problems with the truth again and resorted to scare tactics without merit.

Under the TA Agreement, Page 12, Under "IAM FLEET SENIORITY INTEGRATION PROCEDURE, Section 2:

"The Company and the Union agree on an integrated seniority list provided it results in no 'system flush' whereby an active Fleet Service Employee may displace any other active Fleet Service Employee from the latter’s position; and furloughed Fleet Service Employees may not bump/displace active Fleet Service Employees; and does not contain conditions and restrictions that materially increase costs associated with training or company paid moves."

I'll keep that tug warm for myself.

Jester
This is how it works......AGAIN.....

The company decides to contract or because of a merger furlough due to too many employees in one station.
1. How many total employees does that entail.
a. 1200 ( appx)
2. send notices of possible furlough to the 1200 most junior employees in the system
a. PHL-300
b. Clt-250
c. Phx-500.......etc.You get the idea
3. Each employee of those contracted or over populated stations may excersise by seniority any of the available positions they can hold. Obviously the west is junior to the east in most instances so the west probably has PHX/LAX available to the furloughed.
I for one would go to LAX or PHX because I have more years than HP has been around. This is not considered"Flushing"

These are not scare tactics.............This is how it's done...

 

[Rock Bottom]

I ask all my brothers if they were on a trial for their lives would they want one lawyer.
I made this comment 14 years ago. When we were deciding between IAM and Steel workers, where are the cleaners? The union is all about its name the International Association of Machinists that is not us.
It is time to not be a pawn for the Machinists and get our own voice. Are we next on the chopping block? The Cleaners had a union nothing could happen to them.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Exactly! You are not vested until 5 years into a pension, that is common, just another example of Tim twisting the truth. Sure 5 years seems like a scam, but it is what it is, and not some ploy by the IAM to screw over the workers.

Nobody twisted anything. It was a fact that I'm sure many out west might not know about and it was directed at the west who enjoys full vesting in their 401k.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Tim Nelson]

Jester
This is how it works......AGAIN.....

The company decides to contract or because of a merger furlough due to too many employees in one station.
1. How many total employees does that entail.
a. 1200 ( appx)
2. send notices of possible furlough to the 1200 most junior employees in the system
a. PHL-300
b. Clt-250
c. Phx-500.......etc.You get the idea
3. Each employee of those contracted or over populated stations may excersise by seniority any of the available positions they can hold. Obviously the west is junior to the east in most instances so the west probably has PHX/LAX available to the furloughed.
I for one would go to LAX or PHX because I have more years than HP has been around. This is not considered"Flushing"

These are not scare tactics.............This is how it's done...

Agreed. Nobody mentioned flushing. The bottom line is that if the company needs 1,200 workers to be furloughed then it will go by the seniority roster and take the bottom 1,200. I doubt many will be on the east side.

Interestingly, Hemenway secured more prohibitions in his favor with reduction in force. About 12 years ago I had the opportunity to get a recall notice to a part time job in CLT. If this goofy contract was in place back then, I would not have the opportunity to go back part time. Why on earth Randy gave up more reduction in force language would be mind boggling if not for the fact of his warm seat on the United Airline Board of Directors.

New*** Tentative Agreement Summary Sheet***

Informational Website with all the latest Tentative Agreement News

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
email: appearances1@aol.com

 

[Tim Nelson]

Point of clarification

I spoke to a particular west sider by phone for the first time today. He cautiously asked me if I really was the Local Chairman in ORD. After a slight chuckle I said Randy sure is doing a great job telling everyone that I'm not the Local Chairman in ORD. But I said, Yes, I am the Local Chairman and told him to call ORD breakroom and ask one of the masses.
But it also occured to me to point him to the IAM Local 1487 website. So for all to see, kindly click
IAM Local 1487 which has a link on Randy's own DL141 website. Oddly it mentions me as the Local Chairman for ORD. Wow, how can that be? Pay no attention to Randy. Randy is Randy.

Here's the link: Greivance Chairman for 1487

I hope this resolves this silly sidebar. And of course I go to the meetings and give my grievance reports. I handle all grievances in ORD and am currently working on a termination one.

regards,

Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago