Flight number "427" no longer retired.

[Dont call me Shirley]

I understand that the flight number has been changed to AWA420, effective this coming Saturday.

 

[AstroLounge]

As I said in the original post, the callsign is "Cactus 427". The flight, however, is marketed with the US427 number. Some airlines permanently retire flight numbers from a tragic crash, some don't. Some reuse the flight number after some years. Flight 427 was the worst crash in the company's history and is considered by many to be "milestone" accident because of the problem with 737 rudder system and the industry wide implications. There are also two books in print about the crash. The number should be retired permanently.

Agreed. That accident will forever haunt the 737 in my eyes....BLAME IT ON BOEING, PERIOD. If for any reason, retire the number in respect for the dead. For any surviving family member of this tragedy, I'll bet the flight number 427 brings about an emptiness whether it is US/AA/UA/NW or whomever....it was horrible and anyone that has any dignity would feel the same. (I lived in PIT for over 15 years and could never get myself to ever go near that site, but every year I paid a visit to the Memorial that was built at Sewickley Cemetery. This was a very sad event in aviation history and should never be forgotten).

 

[JS]

I understand that the flight number has been changed to AWA420, effective this coming Saturday.

420? 420?!!!! That's code for marijuana! Those insensitive bastards! :angry:

 

[JS]

Which may be totally appropriate given Doug's Unfortunate Incarceration

 

[CV580ETOPS]

Fact is, the name of the airline is US Airways, not America West. US Airways flight 427 suffered a horrible accident. Out of respect (and long standing tradition in this industry) the flight number should be retired, period.

Your statement shows no knowledge of institutional history, an incredible lack of decorum, and absolutely no respect for those who lost their lives in that crash.

Then you will probably just fall in love with the fact that there is a Cactus Flight 182 to ...you guessed it...SAN DIEGO!!

 

[CV580ETOPS]

Perhaps the old US people could choose their cause celebre more carefully so that we could distinguish between the important and just more incessant whining.

There is nothing insensitive about a flight number, it is just a flight number. The people involved were more than a flight number. If you were to equate it with some type of memorial (which demeans the lost)then why not view it as a living memorial, to prove that the lives lost were not in vain.

It was an accident caused by mechanical failure that occured at a point too low for the crew to recover. It's not 9/11, but it doesn't make the pain any less. It deserves a memorial for those who lost loved ones so that they can come to closure and move on. Not forget, but move on so that they are part of a living future, not a tattered snapshot locked in the past. And that memorial should be, must be, more than a just a flight number.

Those who bash the future provided them via this merger should be ashamed of themselves and how they tar the character of the former US Airways. Their behavior denegrates the hard work ond spirit of those who have gone before them and makes US east look like spoiled children crying when they don't get their way and Doug looks like the parent who gives in, just to buy some peace.

This isn't the USAir they left you. Try to remember the legacy you've been entrusted.

Outside of pumping gas many years ago into Allegheny Airlines BAC111's and CV580's while in High School,I am not involved with either airline,thank goodness. I feel that neither one, either together or stand alone, are worth a lick of spit as the old saying goes,and I've flown both of them extensively. I'm just an internet lerker who likes airplanes and just stumbled onto this website via a link . But I must admit based on what I have read on this webboard to date,those poor AWA people will definitley have their work cut out for them just trying to get the USAir people and their illustrious frequent flyers to quit their whining and play the hand that's been dealt them. If you don't like the product offered,take your 43% preimum elsewhere and try someone else . Pissed off about the lost pension, lack of pay, miserable workrules and morale,then quit and make room for someone else who might actully want the job. In other words people... grow up already! Life's too short to spend all your time playing the role of "victim"

 

[hula-flyguy]

I understand that the flight number has been changed to AWA420, effective this coming Saturday.

Nope...It is a SATURDAY only flight that is on the schedule EVERY Saturday through and including April 14.
Operating SFO-PHX-ELP

THEN....begining April 21 it CONTINUES to operate PHX-ELP
Saturday only.

Question....are the west flights operating as USAirways, or America West? It was my understanding that all flights are now USAirways, though since I dont travel much, I could be wrong.

 

[Barbell]

Nope...It is a SATURDAY only flight that is on the schedule EVERY Saturday through and including April 14.
Operating SFO-PHX-ELP

THEN....begining April 21 it CONTINUES to operate PHX-ELP
Saturday only.

Schedules are loaded on Saturday nights, so the change will be effective with this weekend's load. You should check the schedule this Sunday for the Saturday only operated flight US424 (not 420) SFO-PHX-ELP.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Question....are the west flights operating as USAirways, or America West? It was my understanding that all flights are now USAirways, though since I dont travel much, I could be wrong.

It's my understanding that it depends....

In the GDS' (i.e. public viewpoint), they're supposed to be "US Airways operated by America West", similiar to the Express carriers.

FAA-wise, they're still HP/Cactus until there's a single certificate.

Jim

 

[hula-flyguy]

It's my understanding that it depends....

In the GDS' (i.e. public viewpoint), they're supposed to be "US Airways operated by America West", similiar to the Express carriers.

FAA-wise, they're still HP/Cactus until there's a single certificate.

Jim

Thanks Jim. I was curious about how it was handled onboard.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Oh, me bad. That I don't know.

Jim

 

[soc-hpjester]

Could someone from US list the flight numbers that will be taboo once the certs merge ? So we at HP can be on the look out for them ?

 

[hula-flyguy]

Could someone from US list the flight numbers that will be taboo once the certs merge ? So we at HP can be on the look out for them ?

5050 xtra section out of LGA deflection of rudder during takeoff (dumb choice of flight numbers to begin with) 2/86 2 fatalities

1493 arrival LAX after being cleared for landing on runway 24L, landed ontop of skywest flt. 5569. 34 fatalities 2/91
atc controller error

405 out of LGA f28 improper deicing....27 fatalities 3/92


1016 CLT dc9 windshear during approach, 37 fatalities 7/94

427 arriving PIT uncommanded rudder deflection 132 fatalities 9/94

 

[flyJOE]

Could someone from US list the flight numbers that will be taboo once the certs merge ? So we at HP can be on the look out for them ?

427, 5050, 1016, 1493, 1016

The problem is, this isn't the first time they have brought back a 'fatal' flight number. Back in Dec. I posted about the return of US1016 and they had it routing into CLT daily. 1016 crashed on approach into CLT from CAE. About a week or two later it was finally removed. You think they would have learned.

http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php...338&hl=1016

I'm no longer with US, but worked for the company for several years in PHL. The loss of 427 was devistating to our. the 'US' family. The 'get over', 'move on' are just insensitve. I had left PIT about 2 hours before that crash, after the introduction of that Business Select product & still remember my dad calling me (also worked for US) asking me if I heard the news. As a cust. svc supervisor in PHL, having to escort the families of crash victims from gate to gate, just a few months after having to do it with 1016 or how many times dealing with clowns asking, "what are the odds that we'll crash today", it's something you'll always remember.

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

427, 5050, 1016, 1493, 1016

The problem is, this isn't the first time they have brought back a 'fatal' flight number.

As mentioned in the first post on this topic, 1771 came back into use a couple of years ago, but was changed. Some people at work said they didn't see an issue since 1771 was a
PSA flight number. I thought that since 1771 occurred after PSA became a US subsidiary, that number should not be used. 1771 was also an especially traumatic incident for the industry as well as for PS/US.