Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.
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Kev3188
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Exactly.
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again, you either are really dense or are argumentative.eolesen said:
I am betting on the latter.
ALL DL employees who participate in profit sharing get the same percentage of their salary in profit sharing.
noting could be more equal.
Other than in Kevin's little world where everyone would get the same dollar amount of profit sharing - even though employees have different salaries.
So, is it density or argumentation?
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E you truly hit the nail on the head w that statement!
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No, E hit himself in the head trying to throw that brick and he took out a couple of you spectators on the sidelines in the process.
Since you think E's statement is accurate, perhaps you can tell us how much profit sharing you get at US?
Don't lie... it's all public knowledge. We all know the IAM gave away your profit sharing for a bowl of oatmeal.
They apparently think the executives at US were worthy of profit sharing but not the frontline people who do the actual work.
Apparently, equality is a concept the IAM doesn't understand.
DL and its employees DO participate in a system that is based on shared rewards.
Someone got hit by a brick
Since you think E's statement is accurate, perhaps you can tell us how much profit sharing you get at US?
Don't lie... it's all public knowledge. We all know the IAM gave away your profit sharing for a bowl of oatmeal.
They apparently think the executives at US were worthy of profit sharing but not the frontline people who do the actual work.
Apparently, equality is a concept the IAM doesn't understand.
DL and its employees DO participate in a system that is based on shared rewards.
Someone got hit by a brick
Kev3188
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Except this:WorldTraveler said:
After all, we use the "team approach," right?
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Just not an equal distribution...WorldTraveler said:
But it's okay for some to get more of their "share" than others doing the same work, right?
Only thing that got hit was the false front you've built trying to convince people all is bright & sunny here.
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They used a different method, but not a straight across distribution. Didn't like it then, either, FWIW.
There is nothing "team" about a coworker standing side by side w/me all year doing the same work, only to get (not quite) a quarter of what I did. Like I've said before, dividing all $$$ equally would not only have meant a huge bump for TOS employees like South & I- it would've been possibly life changing for those at the bottom.
There is nothing "team" about a coworker standing side by side w/me all year doing the same work, only to get (not quite) a quarter of what I did. Like I've said before, dividing all $$$ equally would not only have meant a huge bump for TOS employees like South & I- it would've been possibly life changing for those at the bottom.
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he wants it to be equal in dollar amount to what the pilots and other employees make.
He has yet to give me an example of where that actually happens either in the airline industry or anywhere else in a large company even though I have asked.
There are others, not me, who have called DL's profit sharing plan one of if not the most generous at any S&P 500 company. It is certainly more generous that at other airlines.
but Kev doesn't think it's good enough.
as for the person next to you making less money, are you willing to cut your pay down to someone else's level?
or do you just magically and unicorn-ally think that everyone should be paid topped out wages on day 1 with profit sharing based on an equal $100K salary?
He has yet to give me an example of where that actually happens either in the airline industry or anywhere else in a large company even though I have asked.
There are others, not me, who have called DL's profit sharing plan one of if not the most generous at any S&P 500 company. It is certainly more generous that at other airlines.
but Kev doesn't think it's good enough.
as for the person next to you making less money, are you willing to cut your pay down to someone else's level?
or do you just magically and unicorn-ally think that everyone should be paid topped out wages on day 1 with profit sharing based on an equal $100K salary?
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I want all ~80k of us to get the same amount. You know, "shared" rewards.WorldTraveler said:
Aren't you the one who keeps talking about how DL employees embrace a team approach?"
If you want to dismiss my push for equality as "unicorn-y" go right ahead.
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except that is socialism, not shared rewards.
If you can succeed at getting everyone's salaries to be the same, then it would indeed be justifiable to argue that profit sharing isn't the same.
but the reason profit sharing is at a flat percent and not a flat dollar amount is because salaries are not the same.
Sorry if the unicorn analogy is hurtful but capitalism is based on each asset (including human capital) receiving compensation based on their contributions as measured by the market.
equally paid employees is not capitalism.
If you can succeed at getting everyone's salaries to be the same, then it would indeed be justifiable to argue that profit sharing isn't the same.
but the reason profit sharing is at a flat percent and not a flat dollar amount is because salaries are not the same.
Sorry if the unicorn analogy is hurtful but capitalism is based on each asset (including human capital) receiving compensation based on their contributions as measured by the market.
equally paid employees is not capitalism.
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You're conflating equal salaries with equal distribution of PS.
Not interested in watching you defend "the market" all day; if you're honest w/yourself, you know what we have right now is inequitable.
Take the long view, and you'll also realize that making that sort of investment in employees will reap huge rewards (no pun intended) over the long term. After all, we're an "asset" like a plane or facility, right?
Not interested in watching you defend "the market" all day; if you're honest w/yourself, you know what we have right now is inequitable.
Take the long view, and you'll also realize that making that sort of investment in employees will reap huge rewards (no pun intended) over the long term. After all, we're an "asset" like a plane or facility, right?
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DL IS making investments in employees.
You are part of the richest profit sharing in the history of US airlines. You get the same percentage as every other DL employee that participates in profit sharing.
sorry, but I can't support equal dollar profit sharing for all employees given the salary differences. and you still haven't given me an example of a similar company to DL where it takes place.
Talk to DALPA about your proposal - they are unionized - and let me know how it goes.
if equal dollar profit sharing for all employees is the central plank in your grassroots efforts for unionization, then I'm afraid you will find your efforts DOA.
or maybe there is some other economic factor that is more likely to win the hearts and minds of DL voters and which you can clearly show that DL employees are at a disadvantage to their airline peers?
remember, I am completely supportive of DL employees forming a union if they believe it is in their best interest. You just have to find a majority of them who believe that is in their best interest.
You are part of the richest profit sharing in the history of US airlines. You get the same percentage as every other DL employee that participates in profit sharing.
sorry, but I can't support equal dollar profit sharing for all employees given the salary differences. and you still haven't given me an example of a similar company to DL where it takes place.
Talk to DALPA about your proposal - they are unionized - and let me know how it goes.
if equal dollar profit sharing for all employees is the central plank in your grassroots efforts for unionization, then I'm afraid you will find your efforts DOA.
or maybe there is some other economic factor that is more likely to win the hearts and minds of DL voters and which you can clearly show that DL employees are at a disadvantage to their airline peers?
remember, I am completely supportive of DL employees forming a union if they believe it is in their best interest. You just have to find a majority of them who believe that is in their best interest.
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