Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[737823]

across the system? Didn't AS park its M80 fleet a while ago?

AS did, AA still has about 140 active they mostly fly to smaller cities from DFW/ORD. From LAX only to AUS and STL. Been gone from MIA since April 2005, none in BOS since August 2010.

Josh

 

[topDawg]

AS did, AA still has about 140 active they mostly fly to smaller cities from DFW/ORD. From LAX only to AUS and STL. Been gone from MIA since April 2005, none in BOS since August 2010.

Josh

WTF?
 
did this guy not say he was working for AS in LAX?
 
or did you just move back to BOS again? damn pick a place already. 

 

[southwind]

Once again you post things that aren't true. You truly have no idea of how organizing works. So you coworkers at DL are thugs?

And I see you are name calling again.

And the NMB is who verifies the cards and signatures, not DL and not the IAM.

If they are coming to my house, trying to persuade me to vote union, yes!
 
Your a piece of work! You start a thread, specifically stating "No personal attacks", then commence to attack people because they don't share your views (please see your, anti-union = brown noser comment, earlier in the thread) then want to call someone out for name calling? Your a joke!
 
Soooo, the IAM does not count the number of cards, signed, "BEFORE" they are sent to the NMB?
 
And just who is pushing "Card Check"?

 

[southwind]

I just wonder how much "louder"  or "quieter" it would get on this board IF the IAM gets voted in for the FAs  followed by the ACS????      Good luck to all the folks at DL who be voting soon for a union representation

Sorry, been here before and the outcome will likely be the same and in 2 years time, we'll be right back here, with the IAM and other unions trying to get their foot in the door!

 

[southwind]

Exactly.

And again; even if 700 was on the IAM payroll, who cares? Being pro labor isn't something to be ashamed of, or whispered about in quiet moments.

Fixed!
 
Being pro labor, anti-union isn't something to be ashamed of, or whispered about in quiet moments.

 

[southwind]

Except that it doesn't.

If you (or Josh) want to draw a direct line between 700 and the campaigns at DL, then do it. Otherwise, you're doing nothing more than casting aspersions.

P.S. Being a labor supporter doesn't count.

 

 
If 700 isn't receiving compensation from the IAM, maybe he might want to point out all the time and effort he puts forth, in this thread alone, to them,
 
I'm sure they'd put him back on the payroll!

 

[WorldTraveler]

So WT you ran to the mods against Eric and others when your personal information and pics were posted so are you a hypocrite?

Glass house

no, the hypocrisy is that you have had absolutely no qualms about posting other people's personal information despite having your threads repeatedly edited by the mods.

Josh needs to post the information
 
 

No but you constantly tell us how much better Delta employees have it with out any or very little facts. Its just as annoying, trust me.

 
no, I have presented the data but you refuse to acknowledge it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

but the bigger story is that YOUR coworkers don't want a union. I don't vote. Your coworkers do and they aren't interested.

the fact that you have specifically noted that DL mechanics recognize that increased productivity and legacy carrier pay is a formula that creates jobs for DL mechanics is undoubtedly exactly why they don't want a union.

 

Are you implying 700 is being paid by the IAM for the express purpose of helping organize employees at DL? Yes or no? If yes, then post some evidence.

no, I specifically said that it doesn't matter that he was being paid to do DL work or not.

the fact that he has EVER been paid by a IAM to do union work is more than enough evidence that DL employees should see that he has been paid as a union organizer at some point in the past.

YOUR hypocrisy is in making a mountain out of umpteen DL 3rd party contractors that DL hires to process your pay and benefits including your profit sharing that has absolutely enriched your personal life but you refuse to acknowledge that there is a personal conflict of interest in having worked as a paid union organizer in the past - all the while calling the DL organizing campaign a "grassroots" effort.

it is anything but grassroots and the mods should waste absolutely no time in taking that word out of the title of this thread.

not that I expect a board run by a bunch of union sympathizers to do the right thing...
 
 

If they are coming to my house, trying to persuade me to vote union, yes!
 
Your a piece of work! You start a thread, specifically stating "No personal attacks", then commence to attack people because they don't share your views (please see your, anti-union = brown noser comment, earlier in the thread) then want to call someone out for name calling? Your a joke!
 
Soooo, the IAM does not count the number of cards, signed, "BEFORE" they are sent to the NMB?
 
And just who is pushing "Card Check"?

of course not... oh the hypocrisy and downright lies....

The American people aren't stupid .... and neither are Delta employees.

 

[Kev3188]

Everyone is a hypocrite and/or a liar.
 
Okay, got it.  
 
Thank God you're here to save everyone from themselves.   🙄

 

[WorldTraveler]

we're all adults. I'm not going to save anyone.

I do expect that those who have no problem posting other people's personal information would at least have the integrity to admit what has been asked of them multiple times and which they have denied.

700 has served as a paid union organizer. DL people should know that. and those who complain about paid contractors at DL should at least be willing to admit that it is equally as offensive for DL labor organizers to be in the exact same position.

I take no joy in calling anyone a hypocrite but I sure am not going to slink away from using the very term that others have accused me of being.

just be man enough to admit it ALL matters or none of it does.

Don't hold someone to a standard to which you (collective) aren't willing to hold yourself

 

[Kev3188]

 

we're all adults.

Good to hear. Any time you want to start treating everyone here-and the ACS/IFS workgroups- as such would be great.

just be man enough to admit it ALL matters or none of it does.

You make it sound like I need to confess to some sort of sin. I already told you it doesn't matter to me because I don't care. If he was an organizer, more power to him. It's hard, thankless work.

Still waiting to see any sort of evidence that he's an active part of the campaigns at DL. Anything less should be seen merely as an attempt to muddy the waters.

 

[robbedagain]

I for one do not need to see his personal info its none of my business to see his or anyones personal info if he wanted the world to see it then 700 wld have posted like yesterday!

 

[WorldTraveler]

I for one do not need to see his personal info its none of my business to see his or anyones personal info if he wanted the world to see it then 700 wld have posted like yesterday!

personal business that is not related to the airline industry or labor issues is indeed personal.

having served as a paid union organizer absolutely is information that should be ethically disclosed - and it should also be legally disclosed which is why Josh found the document.

the gov't thinks it is important enough that 700's real name appears on that document. DL employees should have the same information.

Good to hear. Any time you want to start treating everyone here-and the ACS/IFS workgroups- as such would be great.


You make it sound like I need to confess to some sort of sin. I already told you it doesn't matter to me because I don't care. If he was an organizer, more power to him. It's hard, thankless work.

Still waiting to see any sort of evidence that he's an active part of the campaigns at DL. Anything less should be seen merely as an attempt to muddy the waters.

I can't think of a more mature  and adult-like approach than to acknowledge that DL employees have the right to choose and have repeatedly chosen NOT to be represented.

accurate and fair disclosure is not only a government requirement but it is also an ethical absolute.

to start a thread and say it is a grass roots effort when in fact the OP has served as a paid organizer before is essential information.

you are free to argue it doesn't matter whether that is known or not.

The cat is out of the bag and DL employees now know fully that 700's campaign and this thread is anything but grassroots.

 

[Kev3188]

 

The cat is out of the bag and DL employees now know fully that 700's campaign and this thread is anything but grassroots.

Neat. Now all you have to do is put a pretty little bow on all this and tell us exactly how 700 is *directly* involved with organization efforts at DL.

Meanwhile, the cards keep coming in...

 

[BABABOOY]

The cat is out of the bag and DL employees now know fully that 700's campaign and this thread is anything but grassroots.

 
 
Did anyone really believe it is a grassroots effort? Seriously?  or that part of no personal attacks?  Especially considering
the OP ?  Really?
 
Meanwhile many cards are expiring everyday and new hires continue to come on property. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

no one said he is being paid to be a paid organizer at DL.

you are free to try to argue otherwise, but there are multiple government and non-governmental requirements to disclose one's financial ties to an industry, regardless of whether you are benefitting from them at present or not.


The fact that 700 has served as a paid organizer for labor in the past absolutely is a relevant fact which DL people deserve to know - whether you argue against it or not.

of course it isn't a grassroots campaign, esp. since I have said that 700 has financial interests in the labor movement.

Josh's document find just confirms what many of us have known all along.