Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[700UW]

I am not a paid organizer I don't work for the IAM.

And since WT you post more anti-union stuff then you must be on Ford and Harrison's and DL's payroll since you are not an active DL employee nor are you a flight attendant.

That using the same illogical thinking you just posted about me.

I am willing to take a lie detector test are you?

She what's your real agenda just like what is Josh's real agenda?

 

[WorldTraveler]

except you can't find any evidence whatsoever that I am paid by anyone in the airline industry other than Delta Air Lines.

You can't accept that after 3 decades, DL just might have been able to convince me that the way they choose to run their business works

it's solely about fair and accurate disclosure about financial benefits connected to the airline industry and unionization.

so, yes, I'll take a lie detector test.

and what are you going to say when it comes back just as I tell you now that I do what I do here solely out of my desire that DL employees make fully informed choices.

 

[Kev3188]

 

You can't accept that after 3 decades, DL just might have been able to convince me that the way they choose to run their business works

I too have a career that has "spanned" 3 decades (seewhatIdidthere); they've yet to convince me. Maybe I'll come around when their theories espoused match the theories in use.
 

it's solely about fair and accurate disclosure about financial benefits connected to the airline industry and unionization.

No, it's about you "grasping" (again!) an opportunity to sh*t on someone you can't stand, and hoping 2+2'll make 5.

 

[700UW]

In you and Josh's eagerness to try and discredit me, you both have no idea of what is going on.
 
DL 142 is not organizing the DL FAs. that would be the International.
 
I was on 142's payroll as a consultant helping to defeat the IBT at US for the Mechanic and Related raid. Which I may add that we were very successful.
 
I worked from June till September of 2013, and even Tim Nelson posted a link to a pic of me working the raid as it was published.
 
So I ask you and Josh to prove I have anything to do with the DL campaign being paid by the IAM for such activity.
 
It would be nice to know then I could quit my real job.
 
So what is WT and Josh's hidden agenda?
 
Who is paying them?
Why would a retiree who has nothing to do with DL and its Flight Attendants and ACS keep posting anti-union stuff?
 
You and Josh are the lead people in anti-union matters, it cant be just a hobby.
 
So stop with the red herrings and both of you come clean.
And all of these tangents have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
 
But you and him opened the door, so now prove your accusations.
 
Why would a passenger post so much anti-union stuff?

 

[Kev3188]

Speaking of 141 & 142, DL employees (ACS & IFS both) will have their own district(s) once representation is secured.

 

[WorldTraveler]

sorry, but I don't hold grudges. 700 is a person who I can respect as a person. that doesn't mean I will roll over and play dead while he pushes his agenda for which he has clearly been paid in the past.

you and he can talk about the organizational structure that separates DL from other airlines - past or present but 700 WAS paid as a union organizer. Neither you or he deny that.

He is not an innocent bystander and this campaign is not a grassroots campaign. If it were, he wouldn't be posting near daily propaganda pieces from the IAM. if you, Kevin, were doing it, then I would be far more willing to call it a grassroots campaign

You have received a DL paycheck for far less than a decade, Kevin. No one is telling you that you EVER have to convert to DL's way of thinking.

All that would be nice - yeah, I know - would be that you acknowledge that I told you that DL has done a very good job of developing loyalty in its employees and, along with their willingness to pay their employees above average compensation, any representation campaign would be very hard for unions to win.

You don't have to agree with me or DL and I respect you no less as a person for who you are or what you believe. I just don't believe your views fit within the context of Delta Air Lines and your peers agree with me.

 

[Kev3188]

You can tell me whatever you want; whether or not it reflects reality is something altogether different...

 

[WorldTraveler]

I'm not sure what point you are referring to but specific to this discussion 700 has served as a paid organizer for the IAM.

so far as I know - unless you want to fess up or someone uncovers something about Josh- nobody else has been paid to be involved in the labor movement and receives nothing more than pay or pension checks from their airline employer

I am not against 700 acting as he has... he just needs to acknowledge that he has been paid to organize for the IAM and you need to acknowledge that fact is absolutely relevant to DL employees - no less relevant than the fact that DL hires F&H.

 

[Kev3188]

 

I am not against 700 acting as he has... he just needs to acknowledge that he has been paid to organize for the IAM and you need to acknowledge that fact is absolutely relevant to DL employees - no less relevant than the fact that DL hires F&H.

 

He doesn't have to do a damn thing; anymore than you do...

 

[WorldTraveler]

of course he doesn't. DL people can decide for themselves what is appropriate.

 

[700UW]

I am not paid to organize anyone.
 
The LM2 from 142 is when I worked on the raid as a consultant.
 
You are making the accusation that I am paid to organize Delta, now back it up with facts.
 
If I was a paid organizer I wouldnt be working and running a company for a living, I wouldnt be doing paperwork all day today for my company if I was a paid organizer for the IAM.
 
So you post more anti-union rhetoric to two groups that you are not a member of nor a Delta employee.
 
So is F&H and DL paying you?
 
Is that were you get your $2500 a month?
 
So please post facts that I am an active paid organizer for the IAM in regards to Delta's FAs and Ramp.

 

[WorldTraveler]

nowhere have I said that you are being paid to organize DL.

I have said and your own comments confirm that you have been paid as a union organizer in the past.

It doesn't matter than it was for US.

It matters that you were paid to organize.

I haven't been paid to post here and have never received any airline or union related other than my usual paychecks.

The fact that you cannot see the problem with you acting as a union organizer for any company and then organizing for DL - paid or not - shows the complete lack of ethics on the part of unions.

I fully expect that there are paid union organizers. I have no tolerance for you telling us that you are not paid - a charge we have made multiple times - when you in fact have been. If you had bothered to post that you had been paid in the past for US, then we wouldn't be discussing it now.

but Josh is the one that had to bring the truth to the front since you didn't do it.

 

[700UW]

I am not organizing for anyone, is that too hard to understand?
 
I post here all on my own, no one tells me what, when and where to post.
 
I provide information, and places to find information and yes I am pro-union and I will always help anyone unionized or anyone wanting to unionize, thats called being a trade unionist.
 
I have never organized to get DL's employees.
 
I have done many things in my past as others, just because you did something in the past doesnt mean you are currently doing it.
 
I never hid the fact I was working the IBT raid at US, its all over the message boards from last year.
 
Even Tim Nelson posted a link to a pic of me during it and out working.
 
Hadnt hid a thing.

 

[WorldTraveler]

not presently, no

have been paid to organize in the past, yes you have.

Financial disclosure requirements almost always include your history as well as your present status.

Tim Nelson doesn't post on the DL forum. DL employees shouldn't have to go look thru thousands of pages of US threads to find your disclosure.

more significantly, I specifically said that you were paid - you denied it but didn't bother to say "I don't get paid for what I do at DL but I have been paid before."

Josh raised the issue which you should have.

You disclosed nothing to DL employees while calling it a grassroots effort.

whether you are paid or not, your posting of IAM material makes it a non-grassroots effort.

 

[Kev3188]

 

...whether you are paid or not, your posting of IAM material makes it a non-grassroots effort.

Lol. Good one.

You don't actually believe that, do you?

I hope not, 'cause it would you're even more out of touch w/reality than I thought...

Just who exactly do you think creates that content?