Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[700UW]

 

[Kev3188]

What sort of "family" allows this to happen? In what world is this okay?

 

[WorldTraveler]

first, it is far from clear what the circumstances are but if an FA is violating FAA regulations regarding when cellular functions of a phone can be used (unsure if that is the issue but possible) then there is no more of a justification for protecting that employee any more than a passenger should be protected for breaking laws.

second, you have no idea if this is the only issue involved or if this person had been counseled on this or other issues.

third, as has been noted multiple times by other DL employees, it is not hard to stay employed by DL for a full career....


again, the IAM's communications dept which is well represented here loves to pick out isolated pieces of data without providing the context.

Clearly the rest of the FA staff at DL has figured out when they can use their phones if this incident is to be believed..

 

[Kev3188]

There is an extensive first hand account from the person(s) involved on FB. Go check it out...
 
And really; In what world do pople prefer tattling over just talking to the person (or even flight leader)?

 

[WorldTraveler]

I can't speak to or condone tattling.

neither can I support having an FA tell passengers to do one thing and do something else.

I haven't and won't read the FB account... in large part because its veracity is no more certain than what has been said here.

IF an employee and passengers are given specific rules and they are violated, why would you expect those rules should be subject to personal interpretation or override?

and you also don't know anything else about that employee's performance which you won't find on any public message board or social media site.

 

[topDawg]

first, it is far from clear what the circumstances are but if an FA is violating FAA regulations regarding when cellular functions of a phone can be used (unsure if that is the issue but possible) then there is no more of a justification for protecting that employee any more than a passenger should be protected for breaking laws.

second, you have no idea if this is the only issue involved or if this person had been counseled on this or other issues.

third, as has been noted multiple times by other DL employees, it is not hard to stay employed by DL for a full career....


again, the IAM's communications dept which is well represented here loves to pick out isolated pieces of data without providing the context.

Clearly the rest of the FA staff at DL has figured out when they can use their phones if this incident is to be believed..

So how many PAXs have you seen walked off the plane, put in jail or more anything more than getting told to turn off a phone? (unless of course the person is told many times and they don't do it.) 
 
In other words your comparison sucks. 
 

There is an extensive first hand account from the person(s) involved on FB. Go check it out...
 
And really; In what world do pople prefer tattling over just talking to the person (or even flight leader)?

this is the first thought I had. 
Really how old are we? 

 

[diamondcutter]

I can't speak to or condone tattling.neither can I support having an FA tell passengers to do one thing and do something else.I haven't and won't read the FB account... in large part because its veracity is no more certain than what has been said here.IF an employee and passengers are given specific rules and they are violated, why would you expect those rules should be subject to personal interpretation or override?and you also don't know anything else about that employee's performance which you won't find on any public message board or social media site.

Translation never ever ever break one specific rule!!! I'm sure our resident preacher here has never ever done this !!!!

 

[700UW]

 

[700UW]

 

[Kev3188]

 

IF an employee and passengers are given specific rules and they are violated, why would you expect those rules should be subject to personal interpretation or override?

Why are you okay with any given employee's personal interpretation of the /enforcement/ of said rules?

How do we know this F/A wasn't looking up connecting (or other) info for a passenger?

 

[700UW]

And the employee who took the photo was ALSO using a phone. Why wasn't that FA terminated?

 

[WorldTraveler]

use of PEDs in non-cellular functions may not have been prohibited.

I am hardly defending the cutthroat environment that apparently cost someone their job. It stinks and the snitch will get what he/she deserves - you know what they say about karma.

but if someone was breaking an FAA rule (which we don't know), then they shouldn't be surprised if there are consequences for it - even for a split second and even if only to send a BD greeting.

no rules can be subject to anyone's interpretation or they aren't rules.

and we still don't and won't ever know if the person who was fired had any other issues... as much as it sounds sensation to talk about getting fired for sending a photo, there could be more to the story... and just as is true with any personnel matter, only the employee and the company actually know.

and let's be very clear that a union cannot protect someone from a violation of the law, regardless of how minor it may appear to be based on someone's judgment.

 

[Kev3188]

and let's be very clear that a union cannot protect someone from a violation of the law, regardless of how minor it may appear to be based on someone's judgment.

No one said it did.

But a CBA forces a company to show just cause- as opposed to relying solely on a "mean girl's" one sided account, and does afford someone the right of recourse...

Until that day comes, this place will remain a free for all...

 

[WorldTraveler]

you're sure it's just about the mean girl?

 

[700UW]

Ask the two PIT mechanics and there are other cases where the IAM has protected, represented and successfully defended mechanics against the FAA when they were charged with FAR violation about how a union does represent it's members against alleged law violations.