Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[topDawg]

use of PEDs in non-cellular functions may not have been prohibited.

I am hardly defending the cutthroat environment that apparently cost someone their job. It stinks and the snitch will get what he/she deserves - you know what they say about karma.

but if someone was breaking an FAA rule (which we don't know), then they shouldn't be surprised if there are consequences for it - even for a split second and even if only to send a BD greeting.

no rules can be subject to anyone's interpretation or they aren't rules.

and we still don't and won't ever know if the person who was fired had any other issues... as much as it sounds sensation to talk about getting fired for sending a photo, there could be more to the story... and just as is true with any personnel matter, only the employee and the company actually know.

and let's be very clear that a union cannot protect someone from a violation of the law, regardless of how minor it may appear to be based on someone's judgment.

When, exactly did Delta become the government?
 
This isn't about "breaking the law". Should Delta be able to fire someone for getting a speeding ticket?  

 

[Kev3188]

you're sure it's just about the mean girl?

 
When you distill it all down, yes.
 
On a less abstract level, it's about changing a company where that sort of behavior is not only tolerated but also encouraged.

 

[diamondcutter]

Well well well WT, DP gave the fa's all the money back without taking ANYTHING!!!!!!! Now will you admit you were wrong!

 

[topDawg]

Well well well WT, DP gave the fa's all the money back without taking ANYTHING!!!!!!! Now will you admit you were wrong!

wait what? I miss something?

 

[WorldTraveler]

Well well well WT, DP gave the fa's all the money back without taking ANYTHING!!!!!!! Now will you admit you were wrong!

and they still won't make as much as DL FAs because the profit sharing because the APFA contract came nowhere close to matching what DL employees get in profit sharing

When, exactly did Delta become the government?
 
This isn't about "breaking the law". Should Delta be able to fire someone for getting a speeding ticket?

DL isn't trying to enforce what happens on the roads... DL does have the right to expect its employees follow the laws on its aircraft.

and again you have no idea of the issues that are involved. Did DL make a statement or the employee provide her written termination documents with reasons?

It is obvious that people like you and Kev and 700 jump on this stuff because you can't figure out how to work within structures that exist.

the vast majority of employees at ANY company can figure out how to do it and don't need a union to bail them out when they break the rules, legal or company.

And I can tell you about a case that the IAM in a PMNW staffed city was unable to defend that involved a traffic accident while an employee was still on NW's clock.

 

[topDawg]

and they still won't make as much as DL FAs because the profit sharing because the APFA contract came nowhere close to matching what DL employees get in profit sharing


DL isn't trying to enforce what happens on the roads... DL does have the right to expect its employees follow the laws on its aircraft.

and again you have no idea of the issues that are involved. Did DL make a statement or the employee provide her written termination documents with reasons?

It is obvious that people like you and Kev and 700 jump on this stuff because you can't figure out how to work within structures that exist.

the vast majority of employees at ANY company can figure out how to do it and don't need a union to bail them out when they break the rules, legal or company.

And I can tell you about a case that the IAM in a PMNW staffed city was unable to defend that involved a traffic accident while an employee was still on NW's clock.

I'm sorry, where.....exactly.......did I "jump" on this?
 
I said how old are we because someone told on them. I generally do not comment on cases like this for two reason, 
I don't know
I don't have a union and I'm not trying to piss off the man. 
 
Since you know nothing about me, how exactly do I not "figure out how to work within structures that exist"? Tell us, all knowing one, how many times and for what I have gotten into any type of trouble at Delta(or hell, any job)? 

 

[Kev3188]

And I can tell you about a case that the IAM in a PMNW staffed city was unable to defend that involved a traffic accident while an employee was still on NW's clock.

Do tell; after all, I'm sure there's "more to the story."

 

[diamondcutter]

and they still won't make as much as DL FAs because the profit sharing because the APFA contract came nowhere close to matching what DL employees get in profit sharingDL isn't trying to enforce what happens on the roads... DL does have the right to expect its employees follow the laws on its aircraft.and again you have no idea of the issues that are involved. Did DL make a statement or the employee provide her written termination documents with reasons?It is obvious that people like you and Kev and 700 jump on this stuff because you can't figure out how to work within structures that exist.the vast majority of employees at ANY company can figure out how to do it and don't need a union to bail them out when they break the rules, legal or company.And I can tell you about a case that the IAM in a PMNW staffed city was unable to defend that involved a traffic accident while an employee was still on NW's clock.

Why do you constantly deflect ????? Please address what you said Parker would never do?

This proves you can never admit you are wrong!!! What is wrong with you . You of all people being a preacher needs prayers!!!!

 

[Kev3188]

Since you know nothing about me, how exactly do I not "figure out how to work within structures that exist"? Tell us, all knowing one, how many times and for what I have gotten into any type of trouble at Delta(or hell, any job)? 

No kidding. How is it that on this board I'm a "labor loser" that DL somehow has to tolerate as a consequence of the merger, yet in the workplace I still get positive reviews, have good performance metrics, am asked to get involved in projects, etc.?


Weird.

 

[topDawg]

No kidding. How is it that on this board I'm a "labor loser" that DL somehow has to tolerate as a consequence of the merger, yet in the workplace I still get positive reviews, have good performance metrics, am asked to get involved in projects, etc.?


Weird.

because
 
We would take issue with getting punched in the nuts by the executives at Delta while guys like WT think we should welcome it openly. 
 
I'm still trying to figure out how exactly I am a union pusher even though i have said at least 500 times i would vote no right now.... 

 

[Kev3188]

Because.

🙂

 

[WorldTraveler]

Why do you constantly deflect ????? Please address what you said Parker would never do?

This proves you can never admit you are wrong!!! What is wrong with you . You of all people being a preacher needs prayers!!!!

I'm not deflecting from anything.

based on what you have said - I cannot verify it - that Parker did give the value to AA FAs in return for supposedly nothing.

that is what you think.

Parker is trying desperately to not have AA turn into the labor relations disaster that was native AA.

let's be clear, though. Parker isn't dumb and he isn't signing blank checks.

It was the FAs themselves that shot themselves in the foot.

and it still doesn't change that AA's profitability along with the rest of the industry will soar because of low fuel prices. AA employees will get nowhere near close to what AA will pocket in increased profits.

but, yes, on the surface and for now, it appears that you were right and I was wrong.

let's see what happens down the road to know what AA employees really gained.
 
 

No kidding. How is it that on this board I'm a "labor loser" that DL somehow has to tolerate as a consequence of the merger, yet in the workplace I still get positive reviews, have good performance metrics, am asked to get involved in projects, etc.?


Weird.

no one said that you don't do your job well.

I have said that before and have every reason to believe it.

My difference with you is that you came to DL with the expectation that you would turn DL into a company in your likeness regarding labor.

You argue that you gave DL a chance but you have NEVER told us a time when you stopped from pushing for unionization.

If you really gave DL a chance, then you should have no problem documenting when you stopped your labor campaigns and gave DL a chance.

 

[diamondcutter]

At, you have been asked multiple times what is the value of DL 's fa's agreement??

 

[diamondcutter]

This just in AA fa's just received another 4% raise starting jan1 top out at 55.58!!!!!

 

[Kev3188]

Great news!