Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[BABABOOY]

 
 
How does that crow taste?
 

The lack of class you continue to show doesn't surprise me

 

[BABABOOY]

@Baba--

It'll certainly be interesting to watch it all play out. Wonder how long it'll be before this shows up on the company website?

It was posted along with an email within minutes

 

[700UW]

I see you are looking in the mirror.

You are not the poster child for classy behavior.

 

[Kev3188]

It was posted along with an email within minutes

 
I saw that. Took longer than I thought it would. No shortage of code words & dog-whistle messaging, either.
 
I'm sure this is but the opening salvo in a weeks-long torrent of similar communication(s). Hope you have a big mailbox!

 

[WeAAsles]

My guess is WT is in conference with his superiors as to what the next course of action should be regarding his participation on this site?

 

[robbedagain]

or he is in the hospital in desperate need of medication following today's announcement...
 
or meeting with lawyers to fig out the right angle to sue to stop this

 

[metopower]

Kev ,I read the company post and it had just as many bells and whistles as the union stuff. I guess it is how you read it.

 

[700UW]

WT and Southwind are too busy using the EAP!

 

[topDawg]

When's the last time you said this to 700? You do know he post's on this thread, more than WT!
WAIT.....that's right, he gets a pass....even though he's not DL, nor "EVER" has been, he's pro-union!

BTW....when's the vote?

No its not cause he is pro-union it is because I don't own this place. If you figure out exactly what was said, WT is telling me (and by extension you) that because I don't work the ramp or as a FA I shouldn't be commenting.
 
Of course you know all this, you are just trying to take bits and pieces of the conversation and take shots at me, Kev and 700. As per the norm.
 
 
 
Oh and the FAs filled for election today so a vote is going to be soon.  
 

 
 Plus 350900

This this

And yet DL has more stations with its own people than either AA or UA..and we aren't even talking about above wing yet

Andvwhen you factor in profit sharing DL ppl will make more than AA in the same workgroup

DL people just say NO

Maybe by '16....2116

Or maybe today......... 
 

Having Josh and WT on ignore makes it a lot easier to read this thread.

It's not the union who determines how good or bad a contract will be - it's the negotiators.

There have been some real turd agreements signed and negotiated by ALPA, TWU, IAM, IBT, etc., and then there have been some really brilliant ones that either really screwed management or *gasp* were real symbiotic/realistic agreements which served both parties equally well.

It all boils down to who is at the table, and what their objectives are. Trying to compare the mentality of the workers at US with those at DL seems more than just a bit alarmist.

this is why I changed my mind. Sometimes we get wrapped up in the fact that it is ALPA or the IAM but in all reality the IAM at US isn't the same as the one at UA. DALPA isn't UALPA. Etc. 
 
 

 

Delta Flight Attendants, IAM File For Historic Election

The International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) today delivered signed election request cards to the National Mediation Board (NMB) from nearly 12,000 Delta Air Lines Flight Attendants to formally request that the federal agency conduct a union representation election at the carrier.

An election victory for the more than 20,000 Flight Attendants at Delta would be the largest ever transportation sector organizing win and would cap off more than two years of grassroots efforts by Delta Flight Attendants to gain union representation.

“This is a historic day for these courageous Flight Attendants,” said IAM International President Tom Buffenbarger. “The IAM stands firmly behind the Delta Flight Attendants’ effort to win a strong voice in their profession and stability in a volatile industry.”

The NMB is expected to order a representation election within four to six weeks of today’s filing. The 12,000 election request cards represent approximately 60 percent of all Delta Flight Attendants, well above the NMB’s minimum requirement of 50 percent to hold an election.

“An overwhelming majority of Delta Flight Attendants today demanded that a union representation vote be conducted,” said IAM General Vice President Sito Pantoja. “They are an inspiration to the entire labor movement. The IAM will make every effort to ensure that they achieve their goal of negotiating an industry-leading contract.”

“We are the reason Delta is the world’s most profitable carrier and leads the industry in almost every financial and operational measure,” said 35-year Delta Air Lines Flight Attendant Gabe Perez. “Yet, we lag the industry in wages, benefits and work rules. That will change once we win our election and negotiate the industry-best contract we deserve.”
 

 

So WT..... comment or nah? 

 

[Kev3188]

Kev ,I read the company post and it had just as many bells and whistles as the union stuff. I guess it is how you read it.

 
It's interesting to me that the pro-worker message is almost always a positive one, with themes like equality, unity, etc., while the ones from the company are almost always dour & divisive. 
 
My favorite from today's company message was use of the word "targeting," as if our F/A coworkers are innocent victims caught in some assassin's cross hairs. 
 

Or maybe today.........

Or maybe today...

And let's be clear; today's call for election- and the ~12k cards that made that happen- once and for all lays waste to the idea that this drive is the work of a tiny handful of activists.

Today, the "no way" crowd is in the minority...

 

[eolesen]

That's a lot of cards over the minimum. Hopefully it turns into inspiration for the ramp guys.

And yes, it does seem to have shut down the "no way" crowd.

 

[WorldTraveler]

It's interesting to me that the pro-worker message is almost always a positive one, with themes like equality, unity, etc., while the ones from the company are almost always dour & divisive. 
 
My favorite from today's company message was use of the word "targeting," as if our F/A coworkers are innocent victims caught in some assassin's cross hairs. 
 

Or maybe today...

And let's be clear; today's call for election- and the ~12k cards that made that happen- once and for all lays waste to the idea that this drive is the work of a tiny handful of activists.

Today, the "no way" crowd is in the minority...

first, congratulations on your willingness to believe in a union vote.

second, and far more important, is the reality that this is AT BEST a start to the process to call a vote.... there are a lot of verifications that have to take place to determine whether the cards are valid etc.
 
I told you six years ago and I will say again that DL employees have a history of threatening a union but actually choosing not to vote them in when given a chance - mostly because the company is willing to throw money at the employees.

I'm not sure what the company will do but considering you thought the company's response to the elections 6 years ago was intense, you can bet they will focus all of that attention and more on the process ahead.

There is far from any evidence that a union can deliver anything better than what DL employees have. DL FAs are just willing to roll the dice that perhaps they might be able to squeeze a bit more from the turnip.

when a union is actually seated and the FAs actually have a contract that is superior to their peers, then you can celebrate.

that is ALL a very, very long time from today.
 

That's a lot of cards over the minimum. Hopefully it turns into inspiration for the ramp guys.

And yes, it does seem to have shut down the "no way" crowd.

no, it really isn't. I don't know what DL's FA count is but they have been hiring very aggressively for several years. at best it might be 10% over the minimum.... and again, there is no assurance that even 12,000 FAs will vote for a union.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Congratulations to the Delta Flight Attendants on their filing.
 
See it through.

 

[700UW]

This isn't six years ago.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, it's more than 85 years past DL's first flight.

this isn't their first rodeo.