Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[Kev3188]

 

Guess you don't know DL has extensive surveys in place for HVCs where they are asked specific questions about the F/A service I know, I am part of the program and receive questionnaires from DL after each and every flight.

Josh

Guess you don't know they give those out to all sorts of passengers, regardless of status. I know, I get one almost every time I non-rev.
 
 

Josh you are missing the point. You are simply over your head and its very clear.

+1
 
 

Delta's management isn't nearly as stupid as they were not to long ago. That would be why labor relations are so great. Even if the FAs vote in a union it would very much be like the relationship Delta has with the pilots.

Exactly.

And that dynamic, IMO, is what most people want anyway...
 
 
 

Josh and WT have very little to no clue how things work. That part is painfully clear.

Both consistently demonstrate a clear disdain for those that actually do the work. Josh at least wears his contempt on his sleeve.

 

[737823]

Sure none of those carriers are the size and scope of DL but they are in a countroes with high standards of living, strong labor laws and presence of unions and other structured worker committees. If DL implemented such terms under a CBA other carriers would quickly follow as it would become "industry standard". Like I said before compared to the labor dynamics of other workgroups through outsourcing F/As haven't been directly impacted as much as others. Sure there have been changes to work rules and benefits over the years but there is yet to be a major push like RJs for pilots or overseas aircraft maintenance or wide scale outsourcing for ramp and passenger service to their profession. If a mainline aircraft operates any given route its staffed by mainline F/As.

Josh

 

[737823]

Guess you don't know they give those out to all sorts of passengers, regardless of status. I know, I get one almost every time I non-rev.  +1  Exactly.And that dynamic, IMO, is what most people want anyway...   Both consistently demonstrate a clear disdain for those that actually do the work. Josh at least wears his contempt on his sleeve.

Other pax receive the surveys but they are different and do not receive them in the same frequency.

Josh

 

[topDawg]

Sure none of those carriers are the size and scope of DL

then stop comparing them with each other dude. DL to most of the other carriers around the world is not apples to apples. 
Not only is Delta's network much much larger, but Delta has to work in a completely different labor and regulation environment.  
 

but they are in a countroes with high standards of living, strong labor laws and presence of unions and other structured worker committees.

Places like Japan don't have near the labor laws the US does when it comes to discrimination. That is what you want to see, age discrimination. The DOL and Unions put an end to that 50-60 years ago. Its not coming back. 
 

If DL implemented such terms under a CBA other carriers would quickly follow as it would become "industry standard".

Again, Delta doesn't get to just do what they want here. That isn't how this work. 
They also don't start "from zero". I suggest learning how section 6 and the RLA work.... 
 

Like I said before compared to the labor dynamics of other workgroups through outsourcing F/As haven't been directly impacted as much as others.

Say it 100 times, it doesn't make it any more right.

 

Sure there have been changes to work rules and benefits over the years but there is yet to be a major push like RJs for pilots

Think before speaking Josh. 
 
You think the RJ push doesn't matter to FAs? 
 
For every pilot who lost a job so did at least 1 FA, if not 2. So yes, they are taking in the shorts just like the rest of us. 
 
 
 
of course even if they weren't, this isn't about who gets theirs. Again, that is the attitude that has turned most other airlines into a labor **** show. No one wants that at Delta, not the FAs, not the IAM, Not management, not the other work groups, not the investors etc. 

 

[topDawg]

 

Guess you don't know they give those out to all sorts of passengers, regardless of status. I know, I get one almost every time I non-rev.
 
 

+1
 
 

Exactly.

And that dynamic, IMO, is what most people want anyway...
 
 
 

Both consistently demonstrate a clear disdain for those that actually do the work. Josh at least wears his contempt on his sleeve.

I think most of us would rather not have a union, but like you said it seems like a good card drive starts and all of a sudden the benefits come rolling in for everyone. 
It use to not take that to get things done at Delta. 

 

[737823]

Dawg,
Yes the increased use of RJs has implications for F/As, but it wasn't a concession directly aimed at them. Pilot scope ultimately tickles down to all workgroups as the teeth in scope clause is tied to the operating certificate of the mainline carrier/entity (with some exceptions like US CWA agents).

Just saying DL employees have asked for representation and whether you like it or not the dynamics and culture at DL will change for the worse. The IAM will do NOTHING for the F/As, they have no major carrier F/As currently, got defeated at CO, screwed over the TW F/As and procured concessions upon concessions at their airline.

I do wonder if this will play out like AA CWA where the union managed to get plenty of cards but insufficient interest when the election came. We can only hope that happens here, assuming the cards are deemed valid and authentic.

Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

DL is not going to shoot itself in the foot to punish the FAs for voting in a union if they do.

but the unionists here including 700 are WAY out of line by thinking that the IAM is going to take what DL FAs have now and continuing to build on it only for the better.

DL has EVERY opportunity in the process to express what IT wants in the process and the standard is NOT the best in the industry.

DL is NOT going to reward employees for joining a union.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is blind, deaf, and dumb all at the same time.

 

[robbedagain]

FAs want a say in matters   Currently they  just like the ACS don't have a say regardless what WT says. 

 

[700UW]

DL is not going to shoot itself in the foot to punish the FAs for voting in a union if they do.

but the unionists here including 700 are WAY out of line by thinking that the IAM is going to take what DL FAs have now and continuing to build on it only for the better.

DL has EVERY opportunity in the process to express what IT wants in the process and the standard is NOT the best in the industry.

DL is NOT going to reward employees for joining a union.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is blind, deaf, and dumb all at the same time.

Tell DALPA that.
 
Clueless, your gone for eight years and yet you speak for Delta.
 
Piss of the frontline employees is the WT school of labor relations.

 

[southwind]

Like the way union peeps believe unions should be able to use any tactic to get their foot in the door but, that the company should just stand back and watch it happen!

 

[737823]

Tell DALPA that.
 
Clueless, your gone for eight years and yet you speak for Delta.
 
Piss of the frontline employees is the WT school of labor relations.

And you have never worked for DL you have no idea how things are there!

Josh

 

[BABABOOY]

Since the IAM supporters like to compare the Union to buying insurance,
Why is that I know my premiums UPFRONT before I decide to purchase? 
Not so with the IAM.  I can't get an answer as to how much I have to pay each 
month....shady...

 

[700UW]

And you have never worked for DL you have no idea how things are there!

Josh

Neither do you do you nor does someone who took the money and left over eight years ago, but is the self-appointed spokesman for DL Corporate and all its employees especially how the CURRENT and ACTIVE DL employees feel, I guess getting 12,000 cards signed means nothing to either of you.
 
You are not who you say you are, so come clean and the board.

 

[700UW]

Since the IAM supporters like to compare the Union to buying insurance,
Why is that I know my premiums UPFRONT before I decide to purchase? 
Not so with the IAM.  I can't get an answer as to how much I have to pay each 
month....shady...

You will know what you pay, each local lodge sets their dues according to the IAM constitution, no one is hiding that fact.

Dues are normally two times the weighted hourly wage.
 
So basically its two hours of your pay, but its averaged every year by each local lodge, so if your base is junior your dues will be less than a base that is senior as more FAs are topped out.
 
No one is hiding anything, if you actually asked or did research you would know how its done, and you wont pay any dues till your CBA goes into effect.
 
Once again, dont let the facts get in your way.
 
Lots of misinformation being spread by DL and its minions I see.

 

[737823]

Neither do you do you nor does someone who took the money and left over eight years ago, but is the self-appointed spokesman for DL Corporate and all its employees especially how the CURRENT and ACTIVE DL employees feel, I guess getting 12,000 cards signed means nothing to either of you.
 
You are not who you say you are, so come clean and the board.

The CWA some how managed to get signed cards from 50% of AA's 10,000+passenger service agents, yet only received 2900 votes. So either the cards were found to be fraudulent or agents were signing the cards and not voting just to get the organizers to leave them alone.

From your new unionista buddy E:

3,052 against
2,902 for

Very low turnout if those numbers hold up. There were 10,607 in the class according to the NMB website.

  

When you include those who sat on their hands, CWA only managed to get the support of 27% of the employees eligible to vote.

Curious that only 56% of the agents & reps voted, assuming the 10,600+ number on the NMB's site is accurate.

Entirely conceivable the same happens at DL and the IAM gets barred for two years.

Josh