Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WeAAsles]

I pay $552.00 per year for dues. Worth EVERY shiny little Pennys worth. Actually I think they should raise it for all the value I get out of it.

 

[Kev3188]

Same here. Would gladly make that same investment again...

 

[topDawg]

the simple math that you find stupid is the dollar amount of union dues that will be required and are required for US airline workers.

jesus man really? So not only are the FAs wrong for wanting a vote but now you are saying they are to stupid to us a calculator?
 
Anyone who can do simple math (and read) can figure out that union dues wont even come close to 100M much less hundreds of millions. 
 
Again quit post lies WT. You aren't fooling anyone. 
 

I doubt very seriously that many DL FAs will say that kind of "simple math" is stupid. It more than offsets any "guaranteed" advances the IAM can claim.

No I would hope the FA group is much better than you are at simple math. I also hope they find facts and not listen to people like you who will lie cheat and steal in this deal. 
 

it is so hard to vote out a union - going from unionized to non-union status that it has never happened in the US airline industry - or perhaps you can tell me when it happened.

could it be that it hasn't happened......and i know this will blow your mind......but that no one has wanted to become unionized? 
 

your peers, not pilots, are not going to give up a double digit compensation advantage in order to gain some sort of ethereal control over their careers.

Prove it. Show me the data that points to it........
 

the vast majority of people do not find DL's environment excessively controlling or have a need to gain control at the expense of real money

Prove this also. 
 

DL absolutely has limits on RR usage....

and prove this.......what are the limits?.....what happens if Delta doesn't follow the limits? 

 

[WorldTraveler]

The same people who decried my use of "several hundred dollars per year" now admit their dues are or were at least $500/yr and they have not denied that Expressjet IAM FAs today pay $700

Simple math is that union dues are indeed the better part of $1000 per year

DL FAs will do the simple math and determine if they can be guaranteed that thei investment in dues will yield an economic return

The only guarantee is that they will send alot of their money to IAM national to support everything but FA interests

 

[700UW]

Wrong its not $1,000 and you are lying againg.

DL FAs will set their dues per the bylaws they will write and ratify by a vote.

They will not pay any dues till they ratify their first CBA.

You make yourself look like the fool that you are if you think dues is an issue.

Keep the lies and misinformation flowing from the DL propaganda web page.

So where is the hundreds of millions from the DL FAs that you said the IAM will get, even though you been shown otherwise?

 

[robbedagain]

hey 700  may be you should make that post a lot bigger and use a brighter color  may be thatll help him comprehend...  that is if he can

 

[Kev3188]

Interesting that some people will play fast & loose with numbers one minute, then be almost Talmudic the next...

 

[700UW]

Dues are going to be between $50 to $65 a month according to what was said in the MSP well attended informational meetings.

 

[Kev3188]

Completely reasonable...

 

[WorldTraveler]

Dues are going to be between $50 to $65 a month according to what was said in the MSP well attended informational meetings.

which is between $600 and $780 per year.

that's a lot of dough for someone who is not topped out esp when the Machinists union can't begin to guarantee anything except that DL FAs will be supporting an elite group of national officers as well as those even within the FA ranks with no assurance they can approve anything - and a whole lot of risk that a union environment will result in the end of the best increase in salaries the airline industry has seen since 9/11.

 

[700UW]

Which are tax deductible and like I have stated before they can seek special dispensation for the lower paid FAs to pay lower dues.
 
A 33% reduction in PS is a lot of dough, having three different pay scales for doing the same job, and some receiving a 3% raise while others get 4% raises, that is a lot of dough.

 

[WorldTraveler]

you still stubbornly hold onto that 33% PERCENTAGE reduction in profit sharing despite the fact that the actual dollar amount has continued to go up.

that IS precisely the type of data manipulation resulting in lies that the union is so famous for.

DL employees know full well that they are better off with DL's 16% profit sharing than any other airline employees in America.

no one, not even WN, is paying that much in profit sharing.

Since AA unions agreed to no profit sharing and will receive lower total compensation because of it, you now want to discredit those who have it.



you do realize that there are limits on tax deductions, don't you?

you can't just calculate your taxes due and then decide you won't pay your union dues.

charitable donations and medical expenses are also tax deductible and they will do a whole lot more to change the world than union dues will.

 

[700UW]

When are you going to learn, this campaign is more about QOL issues and work rules than it is money?
 
Over 12,000 and rising have spoken!

 

[robbedagain]

evidently someone just cannot understand the DL he walked away (or was paid to leave) almost a decade ago and the current DL now....   But I wouldn't ever expect him to grasp the current from the past....

 

[WorldTraveler]

when are you going to post evidence that shows that, in order to gain the control which people like Kev have to have, DL employees are willing to give up the increases in pay or all of the other terms of employment that you have argued for years they could take away in a minute.

now when it is very possible that DL could indeed take it away and bring DL employees down to just average, including by eliminating profit sharing, you want to argue that they cannot.

robbed,
you clearly are ticked that you had to settle for a career at US instead o the career your dad had at DL.