Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

now post the salaries and compensation packages of DL's unionized competitors and tell us what unions have done to reduce those salaries.

ABSOLULTELY NOTHING.

The IAM plays on class warfare and envy despite the fact that not only can it not do anything about it but it has been more of a part of dismantling protections for working middle class Americans than anything DL could have dreamt about. UA's horrendous work protections, giving up on profit sharing, and allowing the closure of stations by mainline at DL's competitors only to have those same stations represented by the IAM as regional carriers is what the Machinists union has done to destroy the American middle class. DL didn't lop off 36% of its workforce and yet that is the percentage of union jobs that the IAM has lost. Any executive that had a track record that bad would have been fired many moons ago. Maybe that is why NW's mechanics ditched the IAM

but push the class warfare nonsense. Maybe even you one day will believe you can do something about it since you haven't done anything to solve the problem.

 

[700UW]

I dont have to post a thing.
 
If you want the information go find it and post it.
 
And you rely on threats, lies and misinformation.

 

[700UW]

 

[WorldTraveler]

another flim flam statistic provided to you by the Machinist union that has absolutely no correlation since no two states have identical types of industries and a million other control variables which should be considered in an intellectually honest assessment of the subject.

 

[700UW]

That's rich coming from the one who lies and posts misinformation all the time

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, I post information you don't want to see.


that doesn't make it incorrect.

now, how about you show us a direct comparison of what unions have done in the airline industry against their non-union peers?

You won't show it because it will show that DL has done a better job of increasing its employees compensation than any union has done.

 

[Kev3188]

 
2007
Richard Anderson CEO-$11,296,759
Ed Bastian President &CFO-$10,298,340
Mike Campbell EVP-$6,380,261
Glen Hauenstein EVP-$7,333,300
Lee Macenczak EVP-$5,939,836
Total for 2007 - $41,248,496
 
There's enough profit for EVERYONE to do well at Delta, not just executives.

Still say Hauenstein & Anderson need to switch salaries. The former earns every nickel, imho. The latter not so much.

Campbell can stay in his rocking chair...

 

[Kev3188]

+1

RTW is wrong...

 

[WorldTraveler]

whether it is wrong or not, the IAM's data doesn't prove anything other than different states have different levels of economic activity and jobs.


I doubt very seriously if Campbell is really in the rocking chair. If he was, you wouldn't be worried about him.

we have yet to say the same statistics compensations for execs at other more unionized airlines.

suppose it would be too much to ask a union to provide accurate side by side data?

 

[700UW]

no, I post information you don't want to see.that doesn't make it incorrect.now, how about you show us a direct comparison of what unions have done in the airline industry against their non-union peers?You won't show it because it will show that DL has done a better job of increasing its employees compensation than any union has done.

Might want to check with DALPA on that they negotiated a 20% raise from June of 2012 through the end of 2014, meanwhile the rest ACS and FAs only received an annual raise of either 3% or 4%.

 

[WorldTraveler]

just accurate side by side executive compensation data will do.

while you are at it, let us know the percentage pay raises the APA managed to get and how they stack up against other workgroups.

plz and thanks

 

[Kev3188]

Oh, I'm sure Campbell is still in the shadows; it's where "union avoidance" henchmen prefer to be.

 

[WorldTraveler]

s'pose you could poke 700 and ask him for the comps on DL execs' compensation as well as provide an explanation as to why AA's pilot union got much larger pay increases than the super-powerful APFA was able to negotiate?

 

[700UW]

"Representation by the IAM would end the direct relationship between Delta Air Lines and you, and it is that relationship that has been the foundation of our success." ~R.H. Anderson
 
Let's examine that statement a little bit closer:
 
WITH a direct relationship, Delta can give you a pay raise at any time.
WITHOUT a direct relationship, your union can propose and/or negotiate, or accept on your behalf, a pay raise at any time.
WITH a direct relationship, Delta can force a pay cut at any time with no recourse on your part..
WITHOUT a direct relationship, Delta can only request a pay cut through your union and must give satisfactory evidence that the pay cut is a) necessary and b) is going to be shared equilaterally among all employee groups, management, and executives.
 
WHICH ONE IS BETTER FOR YOU?
 
WITH a direct relationship, Delta can make improvements to your work rules and benefits at any time.
WITHOUT a direct relationship, your union can propose and/or negotiate, or accept on your behalf, improvements to your work rules and benefits at any time.
WITH a direct relationship, Delta can force onerous changes to your work rules and reduce or eliminate benefits with no recourse at any time.
 
WHICH ONE IS BETTER FOR YOU?
 
WITH a direct relationship, Delta can terminate your employment at any time for any reason including false reasons with no recourse at any time, per your status is an "at-will" employee and disallow you witnesses or legal counsel. You may appeal your termination to the CRP but you are not permitted independent witnesses, legal counsel, and you are not allowed a written or recorded copy of any proceedings. Your testimony and evidence can be disallowed by Delta at their whim. You cannot accuse Delta management of any wrongdoing, even if you have proof the wrongdoing has occurred.
WITHOUT a direct relationship, Delta cannot terminate your employment without demonstrating satisfactorily to your union that the termination is valid and necessary. Any disputes as to the validity or necessity can be negotiated by the union, or mediated by a neutral arbitrator. Your are allowed union representation, your own legal counsel, and independent witnesses, and you are not censored in the submission of any evidence or testimony.
 
WHICH ONE IS BETTER FOR YOU?
 
WITH a direct relationship, Delta can investigate you or discipline you with no recourse at any time and disallow you witnesses or legal counsel. You may appeal your termination to the CRP but you are not permitted independent witnesses, legal counsel, and your not allowed a written or recorded copy of any proceedings. Your testimony and evidence can be disallowed by Delta at their whim. You cannot accuse Delta management of any wrongdoing, even if you have proof the wrongdoing has occurred.
WITHOUT a direct relationship, Delta cannot discipline you in any shape or form without demonstrating satisfactorily to your union that the discipline is valid and necessary. Any disputes as to the validity or necessity can be negotiated by the union, or mediated by a neutral arbitrator. Your are allowed union representation, your own legal counsel, and independent witnesses and you are not censored in the submission of any evidence or testimony.
 
WHICH ONE IS BETTER FOR YOU?
 
WITH a direct relationship, you have "free access", subject to the availability of your or any other manager, to discuss any issue you please without anyone else in attendance.
WITHOUT a direct relationship, you have "free access" subject to the availability of your or any other manager, to discuss any issue you please without else anyone in attendance OR with a witness or union rep, if you prefer. A manager cannot force you into a private discussion if you do not agree and cannot discipline you IF you do not agree.
 
WHICH ONE IS BETTER YOU?
 
SO ... When "Richard" states that the direct relationship has been the foundation or "our" success, ask yourself, is it the foundation of YOUR success?
 
WHICH ONE IS BETTER FOR YOU?
 
Don't Buy The Lie. Vote Union.

 

[Kev3188]

Still not seeing how securing representation means the death of any sort of "direct relationship."

If you get along with your PL/FSM/whatever now, being represented shouldn't change that. If it does, maybe you weren't on as good (or equal) of terms as you thought...