Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[townpete]

pete, first let me say  welcome to the airline forums.   
 
commutair is a regional small airline    if you wish  go look at the current PMUS IAM Fleet and MTR contracts    to give a better insight in what the IAM has accomplished in Sect 6 talks with US    Should the FAs elect in the IAM as the official union to represent DL FAs  given DL track record of profits I would not be surprised to see a good contract    
 
Now someone will post $h!t about the PS    which is a nice added benefit but in reality the PS is traditionally a 1 time pay out       DL pilots made out a helluva lot better with PS bec of the contract...   The rest   not as well as the flight deck crews.   

 
Right then, more baseless promises and assumptions. Bottom line, if they cant even get a decent contract stitched together after 7 years with a small airline, then how can anyone feel confident that they can handle DAL?

 

[Kev3188]

 
If you are going to be purposely daft, then you can move along kiddo.

Aren't you adorable.

No, I'm serious.

Try not to btraffic in the same boilerplate BS we've all already heaqrd.

 

[robbedagain]

Ill admit that while the IAM may not be the best  but when you look or compare them to the TWU or IBT the IAM has a better track record     The CWA which represents customer service agents also has a better track record    During the mid 2000s they kept all the PMUS cities mainline while we under the Randy Canali took massive hits.   Believe in 09 the old leadership got sent packing.  Our current leadership refused to endorse the US merger until the Sect 6 talks got settled   well despite the merger  we finally got a pretty good deal    So I would not necessarily say it is baseless      Personally I think they can handle DAL  but again you have to look at it this way  with a contract youre locked in and mgmt. cannot change a thing   currently DL folks are AT Will      

 

[townpete]

Ill admit that while the IAM may not be the best  but when you look or compare them to the TWU or IBT the IAM has a better track record     The CWA which represents customer service agents also has a better track record    During the mid 2000s they kept all the PMUS cities mainline while we under the Randy Canali took massive hits.   Believe in 09 the old leadership got sent packing.  Our current leadership refused to endorse the US merger until the Sect 6 talks got settled   well despite the merger  we finally got a pretty good deal    So I would not necessarily say it is baseless      Personally I think they can handle DAL  but again you have to look at it this way  with a contract youre locked in and mgmt. cannot change a thing   currently DL folks are AT Will      

 
Bottom line, after 7 years, with a small airline, they screwed over the FA's. And now they expect to be taken seriously?
 
Seriously?

 

[townpete]

Aren't you adorable.

No, I'm serious.

Try not to btraffic in the same boilerplate BS we've all already heaqrd.

 
Then find your way out of this discussion kiddo.

 

[Kev3188]

So you aren't going to add anything except the same trite talking points that keep getting recycled both here & at work.

Awesome.

 

[townpete]

Another IAM disaster
 
The next time the union tells you that you can’t lose during union negotiations, you might want to ask them about what happened to the employees of Vought Aircraft Industries.
And, the next time the union tells you that you can try it out, and just get rid of the union if you don’t like it, you definitely might want to ask them about what happened at Vought.
In 2007, employees at Vought Aircraft Industries here in North Charleston voted for representation by the IAM.
The union had made lots of promises about better pay and benefits. After the election, the employees waited. And waited. And waited.
After almost a year, the IAM had still not delivered a contract with all of the things that had been promised.
What happened next?
 
http://weareboeingsc.com/vought-aircraft-industries/

 

[townpete]

So you aren't going to add anything except the same trite talking points that keep getting recycled both here & at work.

Awesome.

 
Feel free to hit that ignore button buttercup.

 

[Kev3188]

No way; I'm excited to see what you call me next.

 

[robbedagain]

again pete youre comparing a Major Airline vs a small commuter airline.    There's a world of difference there.   Im not trying to defend mgmt.    Ive been on both sides of the fence  and Ill tell you it is far better to have a union in this industry than not to have one.     7 yrs but did they get a deal? yes or no?    currently DL can and has changed things including PS    the WSJ (I believe it was) reported last yr that pilots made out far better   the rest got a measly 3 or 4   that chump change compared to what the pilots negotiated    But guess what   no profits  no ps. 

 

[metopower]

For the last time everyone gets the same profit sharing percentage.

 

[700UW]

But the pilots got a 20% raise from June 29, 2012 till the end of 2014, for giving up 33% in the Profit Sharing.
 
ACS and FA got a 3% or 4% raise and Delta took 33% of their profit sharing for 2013 when they cut it from 15% to 10% payout, the only reason they got 15%(16.5%)this year is DL topped $1 billion in profits.

 

[700UW]

 

[700UW]

 

[townpete]

again pete youre comparing a Major Airline vs a small commuter airline.    There's a world of difference there.   Im not trying to defend mgmt.    Ive been on both sides of the fence  and Ill tell you it is far better to have a union in this industry than not to have one.     7 yrs but did they get a deal? yes or no?    currently DL can and has changed things including PS    the WSJ (I believe it was) reported last yr that pilots made out far better   the rest got a measly 3 or 4   that chump change compared to what the pilots negotiated    But guess what   no profits  no ps. 

 
So IAM treats their membership differently based on size of airline?
 
If you are big airline, they sky is the limit.
 
If you are small, well sucks to be you i guess.
 
Good to know.