Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

you are the one that is flat out wrong.

go read AA's fleet guidance which they provided to investors.

AA plans to reduce the size of its mainline fleet in 2015 while increasing the total number of RJs.

 

[WeAAsles]

No its you who is flat out wrong Hector. 17,300 Fleet service clerks and we're still hiring. When the merger was on day 1 we had less than 15000 total.

http://m.bizjournals.com/dallas/blog/2015/02/american-making-substantial-progress-in.html?ana=yahoo&r=full

 

[BABABOOY]

 

[BABABOOY]

DELTA PEOPLE, ALPA LOBBY CONGRESS ON EX-I’M BANK
February 25, 2015
Representatives from In-Flight Service, Flight Operations, Airport Customer Service and Delta Cargo will be visiting Members of Congress this week to voice their concerns about the U.S. Export-Import Bank.
The Ex-Im Bank harms U.S. airlines and their employees by subsidizing widebody aircraft purchases by foreign state-owned and supported carriers.
The multi-divisional group of Delta people will be urging more than 100 Members of Congress to enact reforms that will level the playing field for U.S. airlines.
ALPA representatives will be joining Delta to advocate for reform of the Ex-Im Bank. Roll Call Blog reported that ALPA’s president is making similar arguments to those used by Richard Anderson about the Bank’s aid to foreign carriers. At the same time, the International Association of Machinists (IAM) is lobbying in support of the Bank, and directly against Delta.
Airline employees have been advocating for reform of the Bank’s practice of providing guarantees for state-owned and supported foreign airlines to purchase widebody aircraft, which are then deployed against U.S. carriers on international routes. Those guarantees directly threaten U.S. airline jobs as state-owned and supported foreign carriers enjoy a significant financial advantage on international flights thanks to the Bank’s loan guarantees.
Most of the purchases backed by Ex-Im guarantees are to creditworthy foreign airlines that have access to commercial loans.
 
 

 

[WorldTraveler]

No its you who is flat out wrong Hector. 17,300 Fleet service clerks and we're still hiring. When the merger was on day 1 we had less than 15000 total.

http://m.bizjournals.com/dallas/blog/2015/02/american-making-substantial-progress-in.html?ana=yahoo&r=full

I didn't say anything about AA's staffing.

I did talk about AA's fleet plan which was released in an investor update on Jan 27, 2015. Dallas Morning News Airline news blog picked up the story as well.

American Airlines Group said Tuesday that the American Airlines and US Airways fleets will have 953 aircraft at the end of 2015, down 30 airplanes and 3.1 percent from Dec. 31, 2014.

I would suggest that you go to aa.com and find the investor update filed on Jan 27 and find out that AA absolutely did say that the mainline fleet would shrink while the regional fleet will grow.

 

[WorldTraveler]

DELTA PEOPLE, ALPA LOBBY CONGRESS ON EX-I’M BANK
February 25, 2015
Representatives from In-Flight Service, Flight Operations, Airport Customer Service and Delta Cargo will be visiting Members of Congress this week to voice their concerns about the U.S. Export-Import Bank.
The Ex-Im Bank harms U.S. airlines and their employees by subsidizing widebody aircraft purchases by foreign state-owned and supported carriers.
The multi-divisional group of Delta people will be urging more than 100 Members of Congress to enact reforms that will level the playing field for U.S. airlines.
ALPA representatives will be joining Delta to advocate for reform of the Ex-Im Bank. Roll Call Blog reported that ALPA’s president is making similar arguments to those used by Richard Anderson about the Bank’s aid to foreign carriers. At the same time, the International Association of Machinists (IAM) is lobbying in support of the Bank, and directly against Delta.
Airline employees have been advocating for reform of the Bank’s practice of providing guarantees for state-owned and supported foreign airlines to purchase widebody aircraft, which are then deployed against U.S. carriers on international routes. Those guarantees directly threaten U.S. airline jobs as state-owned and supported foreign carriers enjoy a significant financial advantage on international flights thanks to the Bank’s loan guarantees.
Most of the purchases backed by Ex-Im guarantees are to creditworthy foreign airlines that have access to commercial loans.

and that should surprise no one, BABA, because the IAM also represents Boeing employees.

So the Machinists union has picked who contributes the most to its pocketbook and is willing to turn its back on airline employees.

 

[southwind]

Are the Teamsters organizing the DL FA?

Nope, the IAM is, try again.
 
And there is no love loss between the IAM and the IBT, I was there first hand in the summer of 2013 when they tried to raid the IAM at US and the IBT LOST!

Yeah but, don't forget the amt's at NW kicking the IAM to the curb, opting for AMFA because they didn't believe the IAM had their best interest in mind!
So how does the IAM respond?
By performing struck work.....sneaky, backstabbing bastards, if you ask me and not the type of organization I personally, could have a lot of faith in!

And pertaining to an earlier post by Top Dawg, concerning the engine shop losing work because of getting rid of older engines types, DL TechOps just announced they have been given the go ahead to build a new, larger test cell facility, with additional structures to support newer model engines and to future proof our business.
So, while older work is leaving and the ever shrinking revenue with it, new work will be coming in to support even more growth and future revenue.

 

[topDawg]

and again you prove that you can't let go of the past and somehow expect that whatever happened in the past can be changed.

God help you. honestly.

Its not letting go of the past its apples to apples. So excuse me for not being a gosh damn fool who plays stupid pissing contest games. You go on these rant about posting facts but the FACT is you wouldn't know a fact if it jump up and kicked you right in the face.

 

DL is profitable TODAY and since emerging from BK has run a solid business within their financial means because they don't want to go thru what they went thru - for you or for anyone else.

Yeah I'm sure that is why they went in to BK. "We are cutting your throats because we love you" smfh
 

and don't tell me what you or anyone else went thru in BK. I was there too.....like a rat on a sinking ship.

FIFY
 

the difference is that I figured out how to get my house in order, insulate DL's problems from my own, and build my life the way I wanted regardless of what DL does.

Someone send this dude a cookie.
 

and as much as you want to lump everyone else into the same category, some of the people you listed did the same thing and continue to save at rates that are well above the US and DL averages.

And some people ate a bullet because of Delta's BK. (I know they don't count because you got yours. Thankfully I'm not a huge d-bag and I do care about them and their family) 
 

and yes DL did bring work back to DL employees. stations that were PMNW staffed were reopened to DL people and all of the work is now done by DL employees (including PMNW). that DL work was not done by DL or NW employees before.

Oh my what a reach. 
 
(BTW why don't you bring up AA/US doing the same(which they have)?) 
Oh thats different I forgot. 
 

and even if you want to focus on below wing, DL has added maintenance stations and above wing customer service stations and positions.

Yes, generally when someone asks about the ramp I do start talking about TechOps, Obama or India. that is generally how a conversation works. (we know you don't grasp that however)
 
but thats because I am not constantly trying to BS people into think Delta is God's gift to earth. 
 

and DL also has added hundreds of flights worth of work to DL people including at NYC and ATL and LAX where DL has grown esp. using various type of RJs at first but many of those flights are now being converted to mainline.

So now "Has Delta brought work back in-house?" we can answer with hub growth? 
So can we answer with hub cuts? For all this work DL is adding in this city or that city they have been cutting in places too. (CVG and MEM people say hi) 
 

Your statement is patently incorrect that DL has not brought work back to DL employees.

No its not. I'm not trying to reach to answer the guys. Its a simple question and it has a simple answer. I think Airlinelifer is smart enough to understand the PMDL flying at NW in-house stations are now worked by the PMNW employees. 

 

and as with any other discussion about DL vs anyone else comparisons, the bottom line is that DL does more of its own work in more cities than AA or UA and DL people make more.

No that isn't the bottom line. Again you are deflecting because it is simply impossible for you to grasp that Delta isn't always awesome. They have screwed their employees just as well as any other airline or union has in the past. Instead of just adding fair comparisons and facts you try to make things seem great when they aren't. It isn't fair to compare AA to DL right now till AA/US have JCBAs. Only a fool would buy into it anyways. 
 

 

[topDawg]

you can argue about line items here or there if you want but the bottom line totals are decidedly in DL's favor.

That is a matter of opinion. 
 

when you factor in that DL is growing its mainline operation and shrinking its regional operation while AA and UA aren't doing anywhere close to the same thing, and DL employees are absolutely gaining more than their peers at AA and UA.

Ramp employees are gaining nothing. 
matter of fact they just lost two cargo stations even with all that mainline growth. 
 
We are talking about the ramp. Not TechOps. Not pilots. Not FAs. 
Those work groups seeing growth doesn't do anything for below wing when they are flat to negative.
 

http://www.usaamerger.com/2013/07/25/breaking-news-teamsters-card-forging-scheme-at-american-uncovered/
 
n a submission this week to the National Mediation Board in Washington, D.C., the Transport Workers Union (TWU) presented the sworn testimony of former Teamster organizers alleging that the Teamsters forged authorization cards of Mechanic and Related employees at American Airlines.
The testimony of the two witnesses alleged that instead of making assigned house call visits, a Teamster organizer sat in his car and forged authorization cards and then turned them in to supervisors along with false house call visitation records.
Witness testimony also alleged that the Teamsters Organizing Department learned of this practice when they compared multiple authorization cards with different signatures from the same AA employee and told Teamsters’ senior managers who removed an organizer from the AA campaign but otherwise ignored the issue.
 
- See more at: http://www.usaamerger.com/2013/07/25/breaking-news-teamsters-card-forging-scheme-at-american-uncovered/#sthash.g7mJN5Mm.dpuf

A cats jaw can't move sideways. 
 
We are posting random meaningless things right? 
 

can you repeat for the microphone that the TWU and IAM have no partnerships?

When did he say that? 
 

doesn't matter if the TWU and IAM are working together at DL.


They are at AA which simply means that the IAM has no qualms of getting money when it is necessary to do so, regardless of the reputation involved.

one of the dumber things you have said. 
 

That wasn't the question.

The question was whether DL had insourced work since the merger and the answer is yes.

No Kev answered the question correctly. 
 

ah yes, because Delta always does what is best for its employee politically. 
 
So they must have been all for that minimum wage increase idea.....Oh wait....... 
Delta, fighting for Delta employees(unless it doesn't benefit the company)

 

[topDawg]

Yeah but, don't forget the amt's at NW kicking the IAM to the curb, opting for AMFA because they didn't believe the IAM had their best interest in mind!
So how does the IAM respond?
By performing struck work.....sneaky, backstabbing bastards, if you ask me and not the type of organization I personally, could have a lot of faith in!

And pertaining to an earlier post by Top Dawg, concerning the engine shop losing work because of getting rid of older engines types, DL TechOps just announced they have been given the go ahead to build a new, larger test cell facility, with additional structures to support newer model engines and to future proof our business.
So, while older work is leaving and the ever shrinking revenue with it, new work will be coming in to support even more growth and future revenue.

FWIW i haven't seen anything official(much less public)
 
but as soon as I do I will be more than happy to start a thread on it and be more than happy to say I was wrong.  

 

[700UW]

http://youtu.be/wy1Ni9awpzg

 

[WorldTraveler]

hey dawg,
it would be nice if you admitted you were wrong... it would probably also be a first.

you really wouldn't have any choice, though, since a large engine test cell is kinda hard to hide.

you've droned on endlessly about how you and others took it in the shorts 10 years ago - and you won't let go of that - despite the fact that DL has done plenty to change TODAY, including bringing more work back to DL employees via removing regional jets from its contracted fleet and adding mainline aircraft.

the reason why I didn't mention AA is because THEY AREN'T DOING IT.

reread AA's 2015 fleet plan again.

they will park more mainline aircraft than they will add to their fleet and they are adding far more regional aircraft, largely two cabin RJs.

the only reason their mainline ASMs are expected to go up by even a single percent (which is about all AA will grow mainline) is because they are adding seats to their existing aircraft and replacing M80s with larger aircraft

it takes the same number of AA pilots to fly a 321 as it does an M80. tell me if the number of rampers is going up.

in contrast, DL is adding seats but acquiring both larger and smaller mainline aircraft.

and DL is removing small regional jets faster than it is adding larger ones.

further, you can harp all you want about DL getting rid of cargo but what did the IAM protect at UA cargo? absolutely nothing. AA has closed far more stations post 9/11 than DL has. We're still waiting for the list from Kev.

So, you will be admitting you were wrong with the large engine test cell. You tried to convince us from the beginning that DL would outsource all of that new engines work while I told you to sit tight and believe that DL might be able to bring some of it inhouse.

and you and Kev and others are flat out wrong that DL hasn't brought work inhouse even for the ramp both via having DL handle work which was outsourced not just on the ramp but across the board

the simple fact whether you will admit it or not - which is precisely why many of us keep on posting one fact after another - is that DL has done a better job of protecting the jobs of its employees than any other legacy airline.

and given that WN is trying to outsource work - and will - holding even them up as the gold standard isn't even possible any more.

 

[southwind]

FWIW i haven't seen anything official(much less public)
 
but as soon as I do I will be more than happy to start a thread on it and be more than happy to say I was wrong.

Got the info from an official DL email from the head of engine maint. which I will not post here.
Possible this email was only sent to engine maintenance personnel.

 

[Kev3188]

This is interesting to me. Is there anything on the Tech Ops page?

 

[southwind]

http://youtu.be/wy1Ni9awpzg

Are these the only 6 peeps you can get to show their faces in IAM propaganda, cause I keep seeing them over and over and over......