Kev3188
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Information is good.
Did you transfer to ACS or IFS?
Did you transfer to ACS or IFS?
Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.
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Your posting lies again World Fraudster, I posted article L your posting misinformation.WorldTraveler said:
And once again the WHOLE leadership of DL 141 were dissenters, they werent silenced, they werent charged nor tried, they got elected, see thats the membership's democratic right.
Ask Kip about DL and speaking your mind.
Kev3188
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No shortage of members that have spoke up/out without being charged or tried.700UW said:
...And the others in his same boat.
BTW, did they get anything close to something resembling a trial?
Were they able to provide witnesses or evidence on their behalf?
Question their accusers?
Even have someone in the room with them?
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no there is no misinformation, 700.
there is NO contract language between the IAM and DL or any of its employees.
What you posted is canned language taken from another CBA at another airline.
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Every word of that language has to be either negotiated and accepted by DL OR it is nothing but IAM national imposed language. and if the IAM is free to impose its own language about this or any other topic - as basic as introductory language, then what else can the IAM impose on the basis of that it is boilerplate language that is standard in every other IAM contract, even if that language might be harmful to DL employees?
and DL absolutely does have the legal right to inform its own employees of the pros and cons of being union represented and to counter their claims, just as the reverse is true.
Information IS a good thing and those who want to inhibit its spread are the ones that have something to hide or be ashamed of.
and it is equally true that there are hundreds of DL employees who have weighed in on the representation issue who have not lost their jobs so to try to say that DL inhibits dissension is simply not any more valid than it is to say that the IAM does the same thing.
and, no, there is no scheduled election even for the FAs just yet.
there is NO contract language between the IAM and DL or any of its employees.
What you posted is canned language taken from another CBA at another airline.
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Every word of that language has to be either negotiated and accepted by DL OR it is nothing but IAM national imposed language. and if the IAM is free to impose its own language about this or any other topic - as basic as introductory language, then what else can the IAM impose on the basis of that it is boilerplate language that is standard in every other IAM contract, even if that language might be harmful to DL employees?
and DL absolutely does have the legal right to inform its own employees of the pros and cons of being union represented and to counter their claims, just as the reverse is true.
Information IS a good thing and those who want to inhibit its spread are the ones that have something to hide or be ashamed of.
and it is equally true that there are hundreds of DL employees who have weighed in on the representation issue who have not lost their jobs so to try to say that DL inhibits dissension is simply not any more valid than it is to say that the IAM does the same thing.
and, no, there is no scheduled election even for the FAs just yet.
You are lying again World Fraudster.
I posted Article L from the IAM Constitution, nothing from a CBA.
The IAM Constitution is not imposed, any changes to it are voted on every four years at the Grand Lodge Convention.
Every article has been voted on since its inception.
Stop with the lies already.
I like your Geico commercial.
I posted Article L from the IAM Constitution, nothing from a CBA.
The IAM Constitution is not imposed, any changes to it are voted on every four years at the Grand Lodge Convention.
Every article has been voted on since its inception.
Stop with the lies already.
I like your Geico commercial.
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then it is IAM canned language whether it is from a CBA or the IAM national constitution.
FAs will be tied down by IAM national language including sending of local dues that will go to national regardless of what action DL FAs can take.
you cannot argue for the benefits of being part of a national union without also recognizing that there are significant negatives for DL FAs who will see their own interests watered down or submitted to the interests of a national union including stuff like paying for the operation of a corporate jet that is not necessary for airline unions.
FAs will be tied down by IAM national language including sending of local dues that will go to national regardless of what action DL FAs can take.
you cannot argue for the benefits of being part of a national union without also recognizing that there are significant negatives for DL FAs who will see their own interests watered down or submitted to the interests of a national union including stuff like paying for the operation of a corporate jet that is not necessary for airline unions.
World Fraudster gets caught lying again.
The IAM Constitution was written and voted on by the members, not the leadership.
Since you arent an IAM member you have no clue and refuse the truth and facts, you would rather lie and post misinformation if it doesnt fit your narrative.
Seems to have worked pretty well for the IAM since 1888, when the IAM was founded by Tom Talbot and 19 of his fellow railroad Machinists, in Atlanta.
Is ALPA a national union?
Seems to be doing pretty well, as well as the AFA, the IAM, CWA and the TWU.
The IAM represents more airline employees than any other union.
So its ok since Anderson made $14 million that DL pays his taxes, his financial planning, all of his insurance and many other perks?
If you make $14 million he should be paying his own taxes and etc...., like the rest of workers do in this world.
The IAM Constitution was written and voted on by the members, not the leadership.
Since you arent an IAM member you have no clue and refuse the truth and facts, you would rather lie and post misinformation if it doesnt fit your narrative.
Seems to have worked pretty well for the IAM since 1888, when the IAM was founded by Tom Talbot and 19 of his fellow railroad Machinists, in Atlanta.
Is ALPA a national union?
Seems to be doing pretty well, as well as the AFA, the IAM, CWA and the TWU.
The IAM represents more airline employees than any other union.
So its ok since Anderson made $14 million that DL pays his taxes, his financial planning, all of his insurance and many other perks?
If you make $14 million he should be paying his own taxes and etc...., like the rest of workers do in this world.
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you could stop at your 2nd sentence.
IAM national interests ARE NOT the same as DL FA interests.
There is baggage that comes from having DL FAs associated with a national union.
end of story.
and the IAM represents NO DL employees and NO major FA workgroups.
IAM national interests ARE NOT the same as DL FA interests.
There is baggage that comes from having DL FAs associated with a national union.
end of story.
and the IAM represents NO DL employees and NO major FA workgroups.
Keep ignoring the facts.
The majority or airline unions are national unions.
AFA, ALPA, CWA, IAM and the TWU are all national unions.
And when you buy the boards, then you can tell people what to post.
Keep up the lies World Fraudster.
And what experience and money is there for DL FAs to start their own union?
Seems to me the over 12,000 DL FAs who signed cards, knows whats best for them, not you a former Revenue Management Beancounter who took the money and ran from DL over eight years ago.
The majority or airline unions are national unions.
AFA, ALPA, CWA, IAM and the TWU are all national unions.
And when you buy the boards, then you can tell people what to post.
Keep up the lies World Fraudster.
And what experience and money is there for DL FAs to start their own union?
Seems to me the over 12,000 DL FAs who signed cards, knows whats best for them, not you a former Revenue Management Beancounter who took the money and ran from DL over eight years ago.
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I don't want to buy the board.
I want to make sure that accurate information is available.
just because the majority of airline employees belong to national unions doesn't make it a good idea for DL employees.
DL is got a lot of very smart people who I would gladly support in union leadership.
IN fact, I would dare say that my views of unions at DL would change a great deal if they were NOT part of a national union and were completely DL employee led, top to bottom.
I want to make sure that accurate information is available.
just because the majority of airline employees belong to national unions doesn't make it a good idea for DL employees.
DL is got a lot of very smart people who I would gladly support in union leadership.
IN fact, I would dare say that my views of unions at DL would change a great deal if they were NOT part of a national union and were completely DL employee led, top to bottom.
So how is being part of a national union worked out for DALPA?
You lie, and manipulate, you cant post the truth if it hit you in the face.
12,000 FAs seem to know whats best for them, not you, someone who was never a FA, and who left DL over eight years ago, and was paid to do so.
You lie, and manipulate, you cant post the truth if it hit you in the face.
12,000 FAs seem to know whats best for them, not you, someone who was never a FA, and who left DL over eight years ago, and was paid to do so.
The District is the most important level in the IAM.
The District, negotiates, and enforces the CBA, not the International.
The District pays 50% of the AGC, or GCs and the International pays the other 50% of their salary.
See something that World Fraudster and yourself dont understand the structure.
And how much of DALPA's dues money goes to the National vs your local?
The District, negotiates, and enforces the CBA, not the International.
The District pays 50% of the AGC, or GCs and the International pays the other 50% of their salary.
See something that World Fraudster and yourself dont understand the structure.
And how much of DALPA's dues money goes to the National vs your local?
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I'm sorry but it is hogwash to not believe that DL FAs will substantially subsidize IAM national interests and not the other way around.
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