Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[700UW]

The IAM did not go out and find replacements for AMFA workers.
 
Ancillary duties did not break AMFA at NW.
 
The language was already in the NW IAM CBA for fleet to perform the work, and even before the strike the IAM FS did more ancillary work than AMFA members.

 

[700UW]

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/retirement/great-401-k-experiment-has-failed-many-americans-n327321

 

[southwind]

the way u said u made ur bed now sleep in it     would that statement apply to you should the IAM get in officially?    I agree with you on the rest of the post  and I too would never cross the line    No union should cross the line   if one goes on strike the rest of the unions should honor the striking union
Its also my belief that DL folks should be represented by a union whether or not its the IAM      I am happy to be in the union  even though in the past they have made mistakes  it appears to me that the IAM PMUS learned valuable lessons from their own mistakes at UA     I do hope the membership there will learn from this time so that it does not repeat itself.     As far as unions in the airline goes its definitely needed

Yes, if the Ramp and FA's vote in the IAM, they've made their bed and will now have to sleep in it....good or bad. While their decision doesn't affect me directly, it does, indirectly as, unlike some people on this site who don't work for the Union or DL, I "DO" work at DL.

Again, it's their decision and I hope they are able to make an informed one and know that union representation doesn't solve everything and.may even cause more damage than being.represented.

 

[WorldTraveler]

and I DO have direct financial benefits as a result of my previous employment with DL that is a motivation for me to see DL employees make the right decision to ensure that the company and employees both succeed which is what has happened up to this point.

the difference is that I have repeatedly declared my financial loyalties to DL; others attempt to deny their loyalty to the IAM or argue that they have an interest with DL employees when they clearly do not but sure as heck want to get their money (all of these free donuts have cost the IAM plenty and they want a payback.)

and 700's argument about "the other unions did it so it was ok for us to do it" is exactly why no union can be trusted to protect the interests of its workers.

and robbed absolutely has made personal statements about what he expects from a union even though the IAM has violated that. I'm not sure why that is so hard for anyone to accept that the IAM is interested in money first, second, and third.

 

[Kev3188]

Probably because its an inaccurate statement...

 

[700UW]

Kevin were you an IAM Member for fleet at NW?
 
Did you perform struck work?
 
I think World Fraudster should go to a DALPA meeting and tell them to decertify and give up their CBA.

 

[WorldTraveler]

it has been laid out pretty clearly to you why the IAM screwed its union brothers at NW.

DALPA and the AFA did not.

 

[700UW]

The AFA and ALPA both crossed the picket line and flew planes fixed, maintained and overhauled by replacement workers and scabs, not one IAM represented person fixed, maintained nor overhauled a NW aircraft.
 
NW pilots didnt write up broken airplanes also, whistleblowers.
 
Lets see when AMFA was on strike at NW, I was an IAM member, I didnt cross a picketline nor work on any NW planes.

 

[Kev3188]

Kevin were you an IAM Member for fleet at NW?
 

Yes.

Did you perform struck work?
 
.

No.

 

[robbedagain]

I do recall saying what the IAM did wrong at UA and how they made the correct decisions at PMUS   and I also said I wish to see a union  including the IAM represent DL workers     I for one appreciate what 700 posts on here  and since he was in the airline longer than me he has given me guidance   in particular with helping me.  
 
southwind...  I accept your opin    I personally do believe that having a union representation at DL would be more of a benefit than a negative  and I say this bec the IAM at least heard the membership at PMUS and secured us new and improved deal  so if they get in at DL for ACS alone then they can look at our contract and build from there.    I cannot vouch so much for FAs  but I do believe they can look at other contracts that the new AA has (JCBA) and build from there and get a good deal should the IAM get elected as the official representation.  
 
Yes the IAM in the past has made mistakes  but then again who  and what organization has not??   Everyone learns from mistakes.   But I think (and from past experiences) having a union rep in the airline industry is a top must ..    DL ramp in cities are not completely fully mainline ramp no matter what WT claims    Part of it is outsourced  and that should not happen   period.   RR is already nearing 50% if it has not happened yet    That should not be either. 

 

[Kev3188]

Like I said, much easier to conflate idiots like DePace or the UAL NC with labor as a whole than to bother with the actual stories...

 

[700UW]

Well for the people that actually count and who lived it know the truth.

 

[Kev3188]

Exactly.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no one has said that Kev scabbed work.

but the IAM DID seek work that AMFA did.

and UA's CBA is just as much of the IAM's track record as PMUS'

if the IAM saw how bad this was going to turn out, they should have returned dues money and said we can't represent you or put our name on the CBA - but they didn't.

and the CBA DOES have the IAM's name on it just like a lot of other CBAs do that ended up costing lots of jobs.

 

[southwind]

Things that make you go hmmm.....

"Machinists union grabs jobs of striking Northwest mechanics!"

"Six days into the strike by mechanics and cleaners at Northwest Airlines, the International Association of Machinists (IAM) has stepped up its collaboration with the company’s strikebreaking operation. On Thursday, Northwest announced that the jobs of some of the striking workers, who belong to the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA), will be taken over by members of the IAM, which represents baggage handlers and other ground employees at the airline.
The jobs being transferred include filling planes with drinking water and emptying lavatory holding tanks. From the first day of the strike the IAM began performing tasks normally performed by AMFA members, such as cleaning planes, guiding planes on the ground, changing the oil, and making repairs to aviation equipment.
The move to shift more of the work to the IAM came after the union itself pressured the company to transfer the jobs. According to Thursday’s Detroit Free Press, “Northwest told the International Association of Machinists it could take over those tasks after union officials warned their continued cooperation depended on it... De Pace said the machinists want to keep the work even if AMFA and Northwest settle their dispute.”
The IAM, with the backing of the AFL-CIO federation to which it belongs, is not only helping Northwest operate with some 1,200 newly hired strikebreakers, it is seeking to directly profit from the busting of the mechanics’ union by grabbing the strikers’ jobs. Such is the depths of political and moral depravity to which the American trade union bureaucracy has sunk!
The AMFA strikers have been thoroughly isolated by the rest of the unions at Northwest. In addition to IAM’s scabbing, the Air Line Pilots Association (an AFL-CIO affiliate) and the independent Professional Flight Attendants Association are crossing the mechanics’ picket lines.
AMFA, an independent craft-based union not affiliated with the AFL-CIO, was brought into Northwest six years ago when the airline’s mechanics, then part of the IAM along with the other ground workers, left the IAM and joined AMFA.
Robert Roach, the IAM general vice president, said his union “would not be duped into standing with AMFA.” Stewart Acuff, national organizing director of the AFL-CIO, dismissed the strikebreaking at Northwest by saying, “I don’t think this situation says anything about the rest of the labor movement.”
According to an article in Thursday’s Wall Street Journal, Northwest said it was “prepared to operate indefinitely with its contingent work force of mechanics.” Much of the aircraft cleaning has already been farmed out to contractors at far reduced wages.
Reporters from the World Socialist Website spoke to workers on the picket line at the Northwest hub in Detroit, discussing the issues raised in the statement of the WSWS Editorial Board entitled “The Northwest strike: the end of the AFL-CIO and the political lessons for the working class”).
All of the workers expressed anger and disappointment at the decision by the IAM to scab on their strike. Mike, a mechanic for 23 years, compared the current strike to that of Continental Airlines in the 1980s. “They took the mechanics out first. None of the other unions supported it. They started to hire new people. Then they went after the pilots. And so on. Each time, we wanted to walk together, but it never happened.”
Barry, a mechanic for over 19 years, expressed skepticism that any of the workers would get their jobs back. “Instead of bringing us in,” he said, “they will bring additional contract workers in. They don’t want AMFA back. They don’t want any unions. All these unions should be ashamed.”

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2005/08/nwai-a26.html

So.....who to believe. The people in this article or the ones pushing union representation, on this site and again will state, " Make your bed and sleep in it" and " What comes around, goes around!"