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Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

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southwind said:
Going to make a prediction. Big news coming soon that will make a LOT of people happy and really piss off the IAM !
 

Playing "I've got a secret?" Fun! 🙄

topDawg said:
wanna give us a little more than that?
Probably discussion of PS payout amounts or another Early Out package.
 
robbedagain said:
kev  it sure is nice  as its job security bro    Its my hopes and wishes to see you and your peers become union at the big ole widget...
Remind me again if you would, please:

What's the flight threshold at PMUS stations?
 
Thanks. Now let's imagine if DL even had half that!

Going the other way, lets also imagine that DL simply "locking in" the stations they have now into a CBA. It would be a no cost item comparatively.

Employees that feel secure are generally higher performing employees compared to those that have to constantly wonder about tomorrow. What employer wouldn't want that?
 
agree completely with you bro   just imagine..    really hope and wish you all become union   you all truly need it
 
robbed,

DL employees aren't interested in giving up pay and watching cities be closed which is exactly what has happened at AA/US and AA or would have to happen for DL's rate of pay to match that of AA/US and UA employees.

It is precisely because DL has the checkbook and can write bigger checks than its competitors that DL people know they would lose by becoming unionized. While there might be other issues that don't relate to total compensation, for the vast majority of people, they aren't willing to give up pay in order to gain something else.

and Kev even some pilot leaders acknowledge that the company might be coming up with a pay increase plan for non-contract employees - perhaps to show the pilots what they gave up by rejecting their contract.

if true, it would validate once again that DL employees have fared better than their unionized peers.
 
Can u really comprehend? Combined AA/US FSA has best scope in industry. We are not losing cities where we do ramp. We gained. They cannot outsource unless it goes down to 1 flight a day 7 a week for a calendar yr. That not gonna happen. U seriously need help
 
He got it half right. 
 
DL employees aren't interested in seeing more cities close, which is why Scope Language in a CBA is so important to so many of them...
 
and yet, Kev, the CBAs that have existed at AA/US and UA haven't stopped those carriers from closing far more cities since 9/11 than DL has.

and despite not having a CBA, DL has not cut cities it could have cut Most people are more interested in seeing what happens in real life and not what is printed on a CBA that is given away in negotiations by unions or where the company can find a loophole a mile wide which it can use to gut the workforce.

and robbed, US might have gained but your parent company and its rampers lost many cities.
The result will be that the company will likely end up with a list of cities that they will keep with some increases from US but a far larger number of cities closed by AA reducing the total number of BW cities staffed by mainline employees.

You like dawg might want to act as if AA/US aren't one company and hope that the final outcome will show that AA overall increases insourcing but that hasn't happened. IF it happens, I am more than happy to admit that on a combined basis, AA/US was able to do it.

but to pretend that AA/US aren't one company and that the combined airline has fewer BW stations than DL is merely an attempt to refuse to acknowledge that even in a far better economic environment when AA went thru BK, the number of cities staffed by BW people shrank and the total has not surpassed DL even with the US merger.
 
Cause DL only had 12 stations, how many stations did DL close with leadership 7.5?

Why are large stations like CLT, RDU, and MIA outsourced?

And whom did DL negotiate with in ACS during Chapter 11 to have a say in the concessions?

Oh wait, that would be no one as they were employees at will.
 
DL was a "first mover" in the wholesale elimination of line station staffing.
 
Why aren't the ramps at CLT/RDU/MIA staffed? Why, because there's nothing saying they have to, of course...
 
I am fully aware of what DL did under 7.5, Kevin. I lived the nightmare.

But let's also be clear that was decades ago and the track record since then is far more significant than rehashing history - regardless of the topic.

I also am well aware of what the IAM did to keep stations open at NW and I couldn't be more pleased they succeeded.

but that also was in the past, DL cut a smaller percentage of people in BK, and DL and NW had identical labor cost CASMs at the time of the merger - so it is clear that DL and NW had different ways of getting to the same financial point.

and since 9/11 and the way of BK in the 2000s, DL's track record today in protecting jobs and stations is superior to AA and UA not just in ACS but across the company.

I know it isn't what any of us want to see but when WN is pushing for outsourcing of its own stations and has had to close almost two dozen because they don't have the labor flexibility to staff small stations, it is clear that DL's formula works while still protecting the jobs of topped out, benefitted workers in stations that other carriers don't staff with their own people.

and given that DL has its own people in more stations than AA/US or UA, the same question as to why station X or Y is not staffed with mainline people is just as applicable to those airlines.

Do I want to see DL mainline people in stations like MIA, CLT, and RDU? absolutely.

but I want the same thing for AA and UA in their comparable cities - some of which are DL hubs.

To argue that DL is deficient when there is a similar list at other airlines is to argue on a hypocritically apples to pears comparison, to use dawg's language.

I wish you and all DL people the best - all of them - just as I do AA or UA or WN people or those of any other airline.
 
I know that... and 7.5 was more than 25 years ago. most of the people that were affected are no longer with DL are far removed from what happened then.

and if excusing what US employees suffered because US was in BK, there isn't a DL employee that is going to feel the least bit more comfort today.

There has been nothing changed in the BK laws that prevent airlines from going back again if necessary.

No one in the industry in the summer of 2000 thought they would see what the airlines went thru and which cost thousands of jobs.

TO believe it can't happen again or that the same legal framework that decimated unions couldn't happen again is nothing but being naïve.

and all of the cuts that UA made in its ramp was done outside of BK and with the oversight of the IAM.

To argue that "the members voted for it" is a cop out. UA has gotten what it wanted and the IAM did nothing to protect jobs outside of BK and in this decade because the majority of people felt their jobs were safe and they could make more by voting a big chunk of the minority off of the island.

that's the track record which unions and esp. the IAM have to admit is theirs because DL employees know it and it has just happened and it was outside of BK.
 
What you don't comprehend is DL already forced concessions and closed stations and outsourced the work BEFORE chapter 11.

DL employees can thank NW and the IAM for bringing 30+ stations to the merger, where DL only had 12.

And at US, there are NO Ready Reserve, unlike Adam where it's 40% and rising. You know the no benefits and only $12 an hour, taking away full and part time benefited jobs.
 
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