Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[700UW]

I think PMAA has 17 cities and not sure about PMUS.

 

[Kev3188]

Of course, newer employees can't work widebody int'l flights AW or BW but DL doesn't ask them to; they can work domestic flights often alongside FT employees.

This is absolutely false.

 

[WeAAsles]

Some comments from FA's about their profit sharing checks.

"Mine was only 1300 after 401 and taxes"

"Really mine is 1300 after 900 in taxes .....oh my"

"Printed mine out! With deductions it was not much. Interesting to see how it makes "the other half" smaller next year."

"$800 here."

"This is depressing... Really depressing! P-nuts for our hard work!"

"They were bitching about short notice..on The bus tonight here in NRT"

"no union no notice"
 

 

[robbedagain]

I think PMUS had something like 20 or so  I cant remember but I do recall hearing it from union reps just prior to the current contract
 
WeAA  that sure is disappointment hearing what the FAs were/are saying in your post...    cant wait to see the spin on that one..... B)

 

[Kev3188]

PMDL only brought 13 ramps to the party, and NW was in 10 of those...

 

[700UW]

Here is a thread on another web page about RR.
 
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6191517/#9

 

[700UW]

 

[topDawg]

thanks, robbed. Kev can tell me the number but I am pretty sure that DL has BW staff in more cities than that.

And the number of AW DL staff is much higher.

and 700, you NEVER worked for DL.

No one here as the inside scoop on DL employees; if Kev did, then he would have achieved his desires to see DL further unionized.

That quite simply has not happened and that is the greatest evidence that I am a whole lot more in touch than you would like to think.

 
PMNW BW wing had MSP, DTW, MEM, HNL, IND, IAD, LGA, PDX, ORD, JFK, LAX, ANC, MCO, PHX, MKE, TPA, DCA, DFW, LAS, BNA, SEA, BWI, MSN, BOS, MDW, EWR, STL, MCI, CMH, DEN, RSW, GRR, FLL, PHL, GRB, SFO, FNT, IAH and MSY
 
PMDL had ATL, CVG, SLC, LGA, LAX, JFK, BOS, EWR, TPA, MCO, HNL, FLL, HNL and SJU. (I think on SJU not 100% sure on that) 
 
Also on the NW Scope if the station that had 50 flights a week on NW or 76 seat jets then it had to be mainline. So if Delta had this scope, MIA, CLT, SAN, SAT, AUS, BHM, JAX, PIT, SNA, OKC, BDL, BOI, RDU, GEG, SRQ, PBI, BUF, RIC, ORF, OMA, SMF, OAK, SJC, SJU(If it isn't ML already), CLE, CHS, SDF  would be mainline. Stations like SAV, GSP, GSO, TUL, ABQ, HSV, ALB, SYR, ROC, TLH, LIT,PNS, LEX would be really close to mainline and would likely become mainline as more CRJs roll out. (You have to figure that most of these that have a lot off CRJ flights to DTW will see some 76 seaters and/or 717s on them. Most a in the 40-45 weekly flights range and would really only take 1-2 daily flights to get them to 50+ weekly flights) 
 
So as you can see it would basically double the mainline stations on day one, Over time you could expect at least some of the 40-45 flight stations to get past 50 flights. Also some other stations line RNO, TUS and ABQ will probably get close to the number with the growth in SLC, SEA, and LAX. 
 
 
for above wing a lot of the stations listed do have above wing staff so not much would change for them however. I do not have a hard list, maybe Kev does though. 

 

 

[Kev3188]

SJU did have M/L ramp. Still does. 
 
As for AW, AFAIK,  every city in your post except BUF, GEG, OMA, RNO  & TUL have AW employees.
 
You can add CAE, COS, HOU and TUS to that list as well. Pretty there's more, and I'm sure they'll come to me the second I hit  "post."

 

[topDawg]

You can add CAE, COS, HOU and TUS to that list as well. Pretty there's more, and I'm sure they'll come to me the second I hit  "post."

that would be M/L ramp or that have above wing?

 

[topDawg]

Of course, newer employees can't work widebody int'l flights AW or BW but DL doesn't ask them to; they can work domestic flights often alongside FT employees.

wait 
 
what? where did you come up with that?

 

[Kev3188]

that would be M/L ramp or that have above wing?

 
Above Wing... 

 

[WorldTraveler]

This is absolutely false.

No, it’s not.

I’m not talking about regulations and rules.

I’m talking about capabilities.

If there aren’t things that you do that a PTer or RRer can also do, then your job should be busted down to RR status, if not outsourced.

But I know full well, Kev, that you do lots of things that reflect your experience in the industry, including at DL, that aren’t done by RRs, and for which DL entrusts those tasks to you.

Some comments from FA's about their profit sharing checks.

"Mine was only 1300 after 401 and taxes"

"Really mine is 1300 after 900 in taxes .....oh my"

"Printed mine out! With deductions it was not much. Interesting to see how it makes "the other half" smaller next year."

"$800 here."

"This is depressing... Really depressing! P-nuts for our hard work!"

"They were bitching about short notice..on The bus tonight here in NRT"

"no union no notice"

Again, a sorry attempt to highlight the fact that AA doesn’t have profit sharing and was beat by DL in the race to increase pay.

And we still can’t validate that ANY of those comments were actually made by DL employees. If they use their real name, it can be validated. I guarantee you without looking that the vast majority of these people aren’t..

Post a few names and I’ll check it out.

PMNW BW wing had MSP, DTW, MEM, HNL, IND, IAD, LGA, PDX, ORD, JFK, LAX, ANC, MCO, PHX, MKE, TPA, DCA, DFW, LAS, BNA, SEA, BWI, MSN, BOS, MDW, EWR, STL, MCI, CMH, DEN, RSW, GRR, FLL, PHL, GRB, SFO, FNT, IAH and MSY

PMDL had ATL, CVG, SLC, LGA, LAX, JFK, BOS, EWR, TPA, MCO, HNL, FLL, HNL and SJU. (I think on SJU not 100% sure on that)

Also on the NW Scope if the station that had 50 flights a week on NW or 76 seat jets then it had to be mainline. So if Delta had this scope, MIA, CLT, SAN, SAT, AUS, BHM, JAX, PIT, SNA, OKC, BDL, BOI, RDU, GEG, SRQ, PBI, BUF, RIC, ORF, OMA, SMF, OAK, SJC, SJU(If it isn't ML already), CLE, CHS, SDF would be mainline. Stations like SAV, GSP, GSO, TUL, ABQ, HSV, ALB, SYR, ROC, TLH, LIT,PNS, LEX would be really close to mainline and would likely become mainline as more CRJs roll out. (You have to figure that most of these that have a lot off CRJ flights to DTW will see some 76 seaters and/or 717s on them. Most a in the 40-45 weekly flights range and would really only take 1-2 daily flights to get them to 50+ weekly flights)

So as you can see it would basically double the mainline stations on day one, Over time you could expect at least some of the 40-45 flight stations to get past 50 flights. Also some other stations line RNO, TUS and ABQ will probably get close to the number with the growth in SLC, SEA, and LAX.


for above wing a lot of the stations listed do have above wing staff so not much would change for them however. I do not have a hard list, maybe Kev does though.

And yet DL had more ramp agents than NW at the time of the merger, right in line with every other dept.
DL still has its own people in more stations than either AA or UA and even if you look at just BW, the list to me looks like more than what AA/US has.

SJU did have M/L ramp. Still does.

As for AW, AFAIK, every city in your post except BUF, GEG, OMA, RNO & TUL have AW employees.

You can add CAE, COS, HOU and TUS to that list as well. Pretty there's more, and I'm sure they'll come to me the second I hit "post."

Again, I can assure you that DL has its own personnel in more cities than AA or UA.
Since Dawg wants to take the side of BW personnel, perhaps he’d like to post the cities where AA and UA have their own maintenance personnel compared to DL.

 

[robbedagain]

RNO is one of our ML cities as are PVD n BDL

 

[Kev3188]

No, its not.

Yes it is.

If there arent things that you do that a PTer or RRer can also do, then your job should be busted down to RR status, if not outsourced.

I'm sure you'd enjoy that.

I guarantee you without looking that the vast majority of these people arent..

No you can't.

Post a few names and Ill check it out.

Do your own work.

And yet DL had more ramp agents than NW at the time of the merger, right in line with every other dept.

ATL is a leviathan. That'll surprise exactly no one...

DL still has its own people in more stations than either AA or UA and even if you look at just BW, the list to me looks like more than what AA/US has.

Thanks to the scope in the NW CBA...