Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WeAAsles]

DL has personally not given me any reason to want union representation and I do not speak for others.

I did not say ANYTHING about a Union. Do you have a problem understanding the question?

Do I need to use crayons?

 

[WeAAsles]

Why not? You Obama loving socialists have been blaming Bush for everything, the last 7 years!

I don't care about Obama, Bush, The Kardashians or whatever the hell Bruce wants to call himself.

Do you have a mental blockage for answering the question as it was posed to you?

Crayon?

 

[Kev3188]

TBH, just wanted to know and wondering why it takes so long to sign a card. You either want a union or you don't.

It actually only takes about 2 minutes to fill out a card.

Building coalition requires taking the long view...

 

[southwind]

I did not say ANYTHING about a Union. Do you have a problem understanding the question?
Do I need to use crayons?

I know exactly what you asked, no I DON'T want a contract at no expense. Happy?
Now take your union bullsh!t back to the AA threads and shut down some threads there!

 

[southwind]

It actually only takes about 2 minutes to fill out a card.
Building coalition requires taking the long view...

Err, by coalition do you mean swaying potential voters because I'm pretty sure cards could be handed out or sent to ALL eligible people within a month or 2.

 

[WeAAsles]

I know exactly what you asked, no I DON'T want a contract at no expense. Happy?
Now take your union bullsh!t back to the AA threads and shut down some threads there!

Oh you're an angry fellow. You should look into the reasons why? Better for your overall health.

No contract for the biggest thing that provides YOU basically everything material you possess? Hmm. That makes absolutely no sense?

Not exactly a very bright comment my man.

 

[topDawg]

Hey Southwind. Easy question. Say that it cost you nothing at all, zero. If you could would you rather have an "Employment Contract" or continue to rely on the whim of management? (Even if you feel so far they've done great by you)

"Employment Contract" or "No Contract"

No Contract........ 
 
 
you don't seem to get that it is different for us than it is for you and Kev.
 
And FWIW your union, and others, have shown that when it comes to pay contracts don't mean much anyways. They will give it back to the company when they ask for it. (or in the case of the IAM take a pay raise only to outsource the majority or its ramp.)  

 

[700UW]

Guess you hadnt read the IAM CBAs at US.

 

[Kev3188]

you don't seem to get that it is different for us than it is for you and Kev.
   

The sooner that changes, the better...

 

[WeAAsles]

No Contract........ 
 
 
you don't seem to get that it is different for us than it is for you and Kev.
 
And FWIW your union, and others, have shown that when it comes to pay contracts don't mean much anyways. They will give it back to the company when they ask for it. (or in the case of the IAM take a pay raise only to outsource the majority or its ramp.)  

I ABSOLUTELY get that it's different for me and Kev. But Southwind is commenting on a thread that at least IMO clearly states that the push is for Flight Attendants and Ground Baggage Handlers?

I'm a baggage handler and my company and my Union have to compete with whatever Delta "gives" people in that workgroup. And that means both the GOOD and the BAD.

I've asked the guy what HIS motivation is for commenting here and get no answer. I've said why I'm here and in other places.

If you guys don't feel you need a Contract I haven't exactly been trying to change your mind specifically have I?

 

[WeAAsles]

From Sara Nelson. AFA President to the Delta Flight Attendants just now.
 
"First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me."
by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945
 
Niemoller was originally a supporter of Hitler and he fought for Germany in WWI. By the end of WWII he found himself imprisoned in concentration camps and narrowly escaped execution. I believe our history must inform our future. As this compassionate, selfless, devoted Pope addresses our country we must be taking in the reality that we as a people cannot claim success while still even one is suffering.
 
A Delta Flight Attendant asked me to post this quote, assuming that if it had been posted by someone at Delta, it could be a problem for that individual. The fact that anyone is feeling alone in that way is wrong. As Flight Attendants we take care of each other.
Checks and balances are always necessary to ensure there is never an abuse of power. And, what happens to one affects us all. We cannot turn our head and say that a wrong toward someone else is not our problem. In the end, it will always be our problem. Let it just always be that it is " our's"and not "your's" or "mine" alone.
 
Someone told me once - trials are proof of God's care. Whether you believe in God or not, I think this means that we grow the most when we are challenged. The more we grow, the more we can contribute and the more we hear as we learn to listen. We see things we never saw before. This means more possibilities to make a difference. And this will ultimately return to you with love.
 
I love my union. It is not an institution; it is the hearts and souls of the professionals who are my flying partners.
I know you will have your union. In your hearts, you already do.

 

[topDawg]

I ABSOLUTELY get that it's different for me and Kev. But Southwind is commenting on a thread that at least IMO clearly states that the push is for Flight Attendants and Ground Baggage Handlers?

I'm a baggage handler and my company and my Union have to compete with whatever Delta "gives" people in that workgroup. And that means both the GOOD and the BAD.

I've asked the guy what HIS motivation is for commenting here and get no answer. I've said why I'm here and in other places.

If you guys don't feel you need a Contract I haven't exactly been trying to change your mind specifically have I?

 
I mean you asked him if he would take a contract. He is in TechOps. 
 
He then told you that he wouldn't take a contract. 
 

Guess you hadnt read the IAM CBAs at US.

You have a point? 
 
 
Lets see, worst ramp scope goes to IAM at UA
Worst MX scope (and pay.....thanks for dragging the craft down even more IAM, amazing they can be worse than the TWU) goes to IAM at US airways. 

 

[700UW]

You are wrong about scope at US.
 
No line can be farmed out, heavy must do 50% of billable hours.
 
AA can farm out 35% of the maintenance budget, and they farm out line and line checks.
 
WN farms out everything except four lines for 700 airplanes. UA does no overhaul, they do some c-checks and engine work, they just did one A320 S-Check at SFO.
 
Dont be like WT and concentrate on a number, look at the work done in-house and sent out.
 
And the best scope on the ramp is PMUS IAM, tell the WHOLE story.

 

[topDawg]

You are wrong about scope at US.
 
No line can be farmed out, heavy must do 50% of billable hours.
 
AA can farm out 35% of the maintenance budget, and they farm out line and line checks.
 
WN farms out everything except four lines for 700 airplanes. UA does no overhaul, they do some c-checks and engine work, they just did one A320 S-Check at SFO.
 
Dont be like WT and concentrate on a number, look at the work done in-house and sent out.
 
And the best scope on the ramp is PMUS IAM, tell the WHOLE story.

Once again. 
 
As you have been told 100 times and still don't want to get it. 
 
US send 55-60% of its TOTAL maintenance out. I know you are all about line and airframe overhaul but shockingly things like mods, component work/overhaul and engine work/overhaul are also a part of airline maintenance
 
And I'm sorry, they have the second worst scope by about 3-4%. WN sends just a little bit more out than them.
 
 
AA is the best at 30%
DL is the 2nd best at 36%
UA is third at 51%
US is fourth at 54%
and WN is the bottom at 58%.
 
So no. I am not wrong. US has been a drag down on the industry for basically as long as I have been around. Even before BKs US was sending out 2-3-4 times the work Delta was. All under your beloved IAM. (and IIRC they have pretty much been dead last in pay too)  

 

[southwind]

Oh you're an angry fellow. You should look into the reasons why? Better for your overall health.

No contract for the biggest thing that provides YOU basically everything material you possess? Hmm. That makes absolutely no sense?

Not exactly a very bright comment my man.

 
Not angry here, in fact, laughing all the way to the bank, sucker!
And the only reason your here, is your pissed that non-union peeps are making more than you and your trying to justify your meager contract! Ever hear "Money talks, Bullsh!t walks!"  Get to steppin'!