Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[737823]

There is considerable discussion on the WCDFA site about sharing lists and information about employees who have signed a card. Employees are protected against retaliation from their employee for signing a card but do not enjoy protection from thuggish, intimidating union organizers that harass employees on their way to/from work or during breaks and intrude on their private homes to campaign for the union. One poster even suggested having periodic lists reconciled and shared at the base/station level. No DL employee should be intimated by thuggish union organizers demanding the sign authorization cards.

Josh

 

[robbedagain]

Nor shld they be intimidated or fired by the same company stooges who run the outfit its the right of the employees who wish to be union to file cards

 

[737823]

Nor shld they be intimidated or fired by the same company stooges who run the outfit its the right of the employees who wish to be union to file cards

Correct. DL is not stupid they will remain neutral to the extent required by law, nothing more nothing less. DL has retained professional advisers they know what actions are acceptable and prohibited.

Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

Kev can correct me but employers do not have a chance to see who has sent cards until an election is called at which point they are allowed to verify the authenticity of those who have sent cards.

if the names of those who have signed cards is known, it is because the union has leaked the information. Neither the company or the NMB could know the names until the cards are sent to the NMB.

 

[southwind]

Nor shld they be intimidated or fired by the same company stooges who run the outfit its the right of the employees who wish to be union to file cards

Err, I believe 737823 stated that, in the post above yours.........talk about beating a dead horse!
 
Oh and btw, DL "IS" offering an HRA plan and provided pertinent information in plenty of time for elections. I'm sure that pisses off some pro-union peeps and now they'll have to find something else to ***** about.
 
My plan went up $6.50 per pay period and I believe, compared to most alternatives, I can swing that.

 

[737823]

Err, I believe 737823 stated that, in the post above yours.........talk about beating a dead horse!
 
Oh and btw, DL "IS" offering an HRA plan and provided pertinent information in plenty of time for elections. I'm sure that pisses off some pro-union peeps and now they'll have to find something else to #### about.
 
My plan went up $6.50 per pay period and I believe, compared to most alternatives, I can swing that.

Precisely. Laws are in place preventing intimidation on the part of the employer but protections are minimal to nonexistent for employees on the receiving end of thuggish union organizers overstepping the boundaries.

Josh

 

[737823]

Kev can correct me but employers do not have a chance to see who has sent cards until an election is called at which point they are allowed to verify the authenticity of those who have sent cards.if the names of those who have signed cards is known, it is because the union has leaked the information. Neither the company or the NMB could know the names until the cards are sent to the NMB.

Kev can correct me but employers do not have a chance to see who has sent cards until an election is called at which point they are allowed to verify the authenticity of those who have sent cards.if the names of those who have signed cards is known, it is because the union has leaked the information. Neither the company or the NMB could know the names until the cards are sent to the NMB.

I am referring to "grassroots activists" having access to lists the campaign maintains and intimidating people who haven't signed cards.

Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

I know what you are talking about and I agree.

I am saying that robbed's statement is COMPLETELY and TYPICALLY incorrect.

DL does not know who has and has not signed a card.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

My plan went up $6.50 per pay period and I believe, compared to most alternatives, I can swing that.

That actually sounds like you came out ok. Did your copay and deductibles stay at least close to what they were?

I know one of the few industries in the country that has been able to maintain low cost health plans is the airline industry.

It is not good out here and has not been for over a decade.

 

[700UW]

Kev can correct me but employers do not have a chance to see who has sent cards until an election is called at which point they are allowed to verify the authenticity of those who have sent cards.if the names of those who have signed cards is known, it is because the union has leaked the information. Neither the company or the NMB could know the names until the cards are sent to the NMB.

Wrong the company doesn't get to see the cards mor do they verify the signatures. The company or the union can submit to challenge the class and craft

 

[Kev3188]

There is considerable discussion on the WCDFA site about sharing lists and information about employees who have signed a card. Employees are protected against retaliation from their employee for signing a card but do not enjoy protection from thuggish, intimidating union organizers that harass employees on their way to/from work or during breaks and intrude on their private homes to campaign for the union. One poster even suggested having periodic lists reconciled and shared at the base/station level. No DL employee should be intimated by thuggish union organizers demanding the sign authorization cards.

Josh

get real. No one's being intimidated. And if someone should find themselves in that spot? Report it.

Nice use of anti worker messaging, though.
 
 

Correct. DL is not stupid they will remain neutral to the extent required by law, nothing more nothing less. DL has retained professional advisers they know what actions are acceptable and prohibited.

Josh

Wait, what? A 3rd party? Surely, you jest!
 
 

Kev can correct me but employers do not have a chance to see who has sent cards until an election is called at which point they are allowed to verify the authenticity of those who have sent cards.

if the names of those who have signed cards is known, it is because the union has leaked the information. Neither the company or the NMB could know the names until the cards are sent to the NMB.

The company never sees them at any step of the way.
 
 

Err, I believe 737823 stated that, in the post above yours.........talk about beating a dead horse!
 
Oh and btw, DL "IS" offering an HRA plan and provided pertinent information in plenty of time for elections. I'm sure that pisses off some pro-union peeps and now they'll have to find something else to #### about.
 
My plan went up $6.50 per pay period and I believe, compared to most alternatives, I can swing that.

Good for you. Which plan did you pick last year, and which option did will you be selecting this go 'round? How much did your deductible and out-of-pocket max change?

Also, did you see where the company's stated goal is to move away from HRA plans? More employee borne costs are coming.

Good news, though! You can watch a video on our employee website about healthcare. 15 minutes gets you 5000 MDR points. You're welcome.
 
 

I am referring to "grassroots activists" having access to lists the campaign maintains and intimidating people who haven't signed cards.

Josh

You know who else has access to both base & system level lists?

Every single person with access to our employee website.

 

[737823]

The employee website doesn't list who has signed cards or not. A few months ago a particular F/A activist made a comment that some individual hadn't signed a card, suggesting that she had access to an IAM maintained list. Now people are saying lists should be reconciled and delivered to the various bases and stations. My point is whether an individual signed a card or not is a personal choice and should be respected. "Grassroots activists" are intimidating people in the break rooms, parking lots, crew lounges, and even at their homes they simply can't respect individual choices. Kev you mean to tell me that a F/A uninterested in representation working a trip from say DTW to NRT among staunch Union PM-NW F/As wouldn't be the odd man out and treated differently for not signing a card? Crews spend a lot of time together in close quarters with no real supervision and it's always clear to me when there is tension between different members of the crew and this happens on DL.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

"Grassroots activists" are intimidating people in the break rooms, parking lots, crew lounges, and even at their homes they simply can't respect individual choices.

That's a serious allegation you're making. Where's the proof?

 

[737823]

Read online, I didn't see it myself but totally believe it.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

I'm sure you do.

Confirmation bias is a powerful thing.

Let us know when you have actual proof. Kthx.