Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[700UW]

What?

I hate to break it to you but Kev is ONE person. There are 59,999 or so other employees.

Kev gets one and only one vote - if a vote is ever called again for his workgroup. There are about 10,000 other employees in his workgroup who will also get to vote.

Respect is recognizing that the majority of DL employees have no interest in unions; they voted repeatedly against them at the time of the merger and 6 years later there are still no further votes scheduled.

The will of DL employees has been expressed. Respect is acknowledging their choice.

Reality is looking at the landscape of the industry and seeing the number of other airline employees who have chosen to become unionized - and then it makes it very easy to compare what they have obtained for their vote and why DL people - employees and mgmt. - have chosen to continue with a system that clearly works at DL even where it doesn't at other airlines.

And Kevin is an active employee who knows what is going on.
 
You left DL almost 10 years ago, you took the money and ran.
 
You werent even in ACS when you left.
 
Looks like to me Kevin is an active ACS employee and you are a 10 year retiree.
 
Seems Kevin would know more about what is going on than you, and this is a message board, it doesnt measure what is going on at DL, and you left 10 years ago.

 

[737823]

Pathetic IAM doesn't have mainline fleet service at AUS, SJU, and STL.

Josh

 

[robbedagain]

700  as of Dec 8th we will take over the ground handling of AA flights      im happy to see the other cities u posted bro

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Right now, mgmt. at the station level is doing more to drive card signing than any activist could ever hope for. 

When it comes it's going to be like a freight train. No one is going to be able to stop it now that the momentum is growing.

 

[WeAAsles]

Pathetic IAM doesn't have mainline fleet service at AUS, SJU, and STL.

Josh

Perhaps because those are currently TWU staffed stations and some of our members who were layed off will be returning. The IAM and TWU are going to have A LOT more fleet workers than there are at Delta by a long shot. And all of them are on the same payscales. No phony tier stations. 

 

[Kev3188]

robbed, you have no personal knowledge of what DL does now...

Neither do you.

 

[Kev3188]

And, despite hearing from only a literal handful of employees on this site out of 60,000 non-union Delta employees...

Funny how when the point is one you disagree with, this board consists of a "literal handful of employees." When it's one you want to make, then the site is a barometer for the entire system. You can't have it both ways.
 
 

...and an employee work group becoming organized wouldn't break the company.

No, it would not. If you listen to their incessant messaging, you'd sure think otherwise, though...

 

Sure it would limit managements ability to change policies unilaterally..

Which is what they'll pay any price to keep...
 
 

Look more work coming in-house at US and AA:
 

Fantastic! Good things happen when people have a voice in their workplace.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, Kev, the vote of your coworkers demonstrate that you, not they, are the handful.

You reign supreme on this website speaking as if you know the will of DL employees and there are a few gullible people like robbed who believe you.

The will of DL's employees has been shown repeatedly by their votes.

No one, me, you, or the King of Siam, can argue with what has been decided in the past.

To try to argue that something is different now belies the fact that not a single workgroup at DL has managed to gather enough cards to call for a vote - let alone even win an election.

Pictures of a half dozen people at IAM events here or there won't cut it.

Hundreds of cards being signed doesn't do a bit of good when thousands of them expire every year.

Employees at DL aren't interested in unions.

Hanging around with people on here won't help you understand why thousands of your peers in dozens of cities across DL's system have said "NO" to union and continue to fail to provide interest in unions.

You can spend your remaining years at DL trying to believe that DL employees need a union but that won't make anything happen.

Your peers at other airlines have consistently and repeatedly chosen to be represented by unions.

If being in a union matters that much to you, there are umpteen options where you would be better off than at DL.

Get packing.

 

[Kev3188]

I think I'll stick around. Thanks, though...

 

[robbedagain]

HEY WT  HOW many times has DL folks gotten to vote for a union  in the 10 yrs since you left???????????????????   Times have changed   The pressure is mounting    DL MGMT is helping as Kev noted   GET OVER THE FACT THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW THE FEELINGS TODAY COMPARED TO YOUR TIME AS AN ACTIVE EMPLOYEE THEN

 

[WorldTraveler]

I haven't been gone 10 years.

I have been gone long enough that there could have been more than 20 votes... but there have been none.

The pressure mounted at AA because of AA mgmt. and the union gained more than 10K new members. Good for the unions.

DL mgmt. doesn't run its ship the way AA did and it is precisely why DL employees have not voted in unions.

It is absolutely priceless than you harp on that I don't know what is going on today but you want to rely on the words of a DL employees whose opinion amounts to 1/10,000th of the vote in her/his workgroup.

The only sentiment that matters is what translates into votes at the ballot box.

On that count and that alone anyone can see that DL employees aren't interested in unions, regardless of how many times Kev says so.

Since you aren't a DL employee, Kev has to come up with about 5000 more people who agree with him.

IN the six years since the merger, he has been unable to do so.

Enjoy the extra union members that AA mgmt. gave you.

 

[robbedagain]

well you been away LONG ENOUGH to not know that times have changed  and there are folks at DL that have a different take than the one you claim.  
 
Kev GOOOOOD  LUCKKKKKK and I hope and wish to see you all succeed at becoming union bro

 

[WeAAsles]

AA Management to their credit stayed out of the business of the workers in deciding whether they wanted to be organized or not. There was no forced to attend anti union meetings, anti union rhetoric on bulletin boards or mailed to people's homes and no lower level mangers were told to spread the word against organizing.

And because of that the Passenger Service Agents at AA decided to join a Union in an overwhelming show of support. 9,640 agents voted in favor of the union while another 1,547 opposed it. Or an 86% YES vote!

Would or could Delta Management do the same and stay out of letting the WORKERS decide their own destiny, without the FEAR and INTIMIDATION tactics? Lets find out what a fair grassroots contest would decide.

 
"American's vote could spur more organizing efforts in the U.S. South, where most of the American agents are based, union leaders said.
 
The vote also marks a change in mindset at American, which discouraged attempts by agents to organize over the past 19 years, according to union leaders and industry experts.
 
American's new management has "a positive attitude about what employees decide to do," said CWA President Larry Cohen.
 
Three-quarters of the passenger service agents work in the U.S. South, making the pro-union vote rare for the region, Cohen said.
 
AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, in a statement, added, "this victory will energize ongoing organizing efforts in the South."
 
Industry consultant Robert Mann said Doug Parker, the new American group chief executive, was "attempting to build a team, not to divide interests."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/american-airlines-ticket-gate-agents-223827466.html

 

[WorldTraveler]

well you been away LONG ENOUGH to not know that times have changed  and there are folks at DL that have a different take than the one you claim.  
 
Kev GOOOOOD  LUCKKKKKK and I hope and wish to see you all succeed at becoming union bro

again, the only accurate barometer of what DL employees want is at the voting booth - and related to it, the ability to call an election.

Since the merger representation elections which involved nearly every non-pilot, non-mgmt. employee at DL, not one election has been called and no union has gained enough votes to call for one.

It is great to keep saying, "I think I can, I think I can" but at some point you have to realize that there is no desire by the majority of people standing at the bottom of the hill to get the train over the mountain.

I have repeatedly said that I am more than fine if DL employees choose to seek a union and I am equally happy for AA agents who are getting a union given that is what they said they wanted.

but it is equally clear that DL and AA have had fundamentally different approaches to labor relations long before the merger and Doug Parker has further enhanced those differences.

He could care less whether employees belong to a union or not - he has been very successful at keeping salaries down despite a far higher level of unionization than at AA or DL.

The events of the merger further highlighted that the agents without a union were left without a voice. No one should have been surprised that they chose to unionize.

In stark contrast, DL runs its business on different values and DL employees have consistently chosen not to pursue unions.

The result speaks far louder than anyone here wants to admit.

 

[WeAAsles]

I've joined a FB Group page that is Delta FA's and have been reading their postings going back a few weeks. These people are extremely PRO Union and are voicing their strong support for being organized.

And there are A LOT of them on this page.

Someone on this thread DOES NOT have the pulse of what Delta employees want.