Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

did you not bother to read from meto that he gets the exact same percentage of profit sharing as every other DL employee.

You either did not understand Kev or one of the two of you are lying. Kevin got 8.something percent of his 2013 salary in profit sharing on Feb 14, 2014.

And no Kevin's profit sharing figures were not in the papers. and any paper that quoted any profit sharing percent that was other than 8.X percent was inaccurate - plain and simple.

As much as you and your union club want to prey on fear, normal level-headed DL employees know full well that there is no difference in the profit sharing percentage for DL employees regardless of the workgroup.

And in case you also missed it, not a single DL employee on this forum has come out and supported Kevin's notion that all employees should receive the same dollar amount in profit sharing.

meto can tell us how many pilots DL has but I can assure you that 100% of DL pilots would never support Kevin's proposal.

Feel free to stick your nose into the profit sharing discussion but I can absolutely assure you that Kevin's position and your siding with him regarding profit sharing only serves to further alienate what little support unions might have had among DL employees.

 

[WorldTraveler]

And dont forget DL reduced the profit sharing by 33%, from 15% to 10%, did DL's non-union employees negotiate that, vote on it?

except the pilots did. and ALL DL employees got larger profit sharing checks on Valentine's Day 2014 than they ever have.

feel free to continue to harp on the issue of profit sharing.

As southwind ACCURATELY notes, the vast majority of the legacy segment of the industry would LOVE to have the profit sharing DL employees have. DL employees receive the largest amount of profit sharing among any airline employees and DL's profit sharing has been ranked among the best among Fortune 500 companies.

The fact that this board is full of AA employees who try to argue that they don't want it shows how truly ignorant of how good profit sharing can be and why Parker will continue to be able to keep AA employees paid below the average - even if he keeps far more people on the payroll to keep AA's total employee costs similar to other legacy carriers.

DL employees know better. Your attempts at trying to whip up an issue over something that DL employees want a union to stay completely away from further shows why DL employees have and will continue to reject further unionization.

 

[metopower]

 PS   Kev  even stated he got a measley 2 or 3% compared to around 15 to 20% the pilots and dispatchers got   It was in the papers too

Well Kev is that true? Just wondering?Or did you get the same percentage as everyone else?

 

[Kev3188]

I do.

That's fine.

The fairest way that I can see.

That's myopic.
 
 

Right! The guy that's been employed for 2 months should be receiving the same amount as the guy who's been here 20 years!

You tried this in the last thread. It's as dumb now as it was then. Even if someone's here the full year in order to collect-and I'm all for that- it doesn;t change the fact that our PS payouts are wildly unequal. You & I likely make (roughly) the same amount. The 2 year guy in your shop? not so much. Does he not contribute just as much to our carrier's success as we do? How 'bout the Ready Reserve on my crew that's out there doing good work day in/day out? If the work rate is equivalent, then why shouldn't the reward be? One can spin it any way they want (no, WT, that's not a request), but at the end of the day, it is anything but fair.
 
 

When's the vote?

Not soon enough.

Since you seem eager to see it happen, why not join the people advocating in ATL? They're out at the penguin quite often. Might be good for you to get out into the fresh air...
 
 

DO NOT CALL ME YOUR SON

+1

Seriously, WT, knock it off. I'm sure you enjoy getting the reaction you do since it means someone's paying attention to you, but it's just douche-y.

Kev  even stated he got a measley 2 or 3% compared to around 15 to 20% the pilots and dispatchers got   It was in the papers too

Point of order: Those were our base rate increases, and yes, the terms of the pilot CBA were in the media.
 


 

And dont forget DL reduced the profit sharing by 33%, from 15% to 10%, did DL's non-union employees negotiate that, vote on it?

We did not.
 
 

If DL were unionized, prolly wouldn't be "Any" PS!

What makes you say that?

 

[Kev3188]

ALL DL employees got earned larger profit sharing checks on Valentine's Day 2014 than they ever have.

FIFY

Here's the part you did nail: ALL DL employees. We ALL made that happen, but not all of us were shared equally in that success.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Kevin,
why don't you just argue that you should all receive the same paychecks?

Is it not clear to you that your profit sharing is directly related to the size of your paycheck.

When you can convince DL and its pilots that they should be paid no more than any other workgroup, then you might make some headway in your little campaign.

I'd strongly suggest that you find something that has a snowball's chance south of the "border" in becoming reality if you really want the union movement at DL to go somewhere.

This idea is as DOA as they get.

 

[Kev3188]

And no Kevin's profit sharing figures were not in the papers. and any paper that quoted any profit sharing percent that was other than 8.X percent was inaccurate - plain and simple.

Out payout percentages were widely published.
 

As much as you and your union club want to prey on fear, normal level-headed DL employees know full well that there is no difference in the profit sharing percentage for DL employees regardless of the workgroup.

Yeah, that horse has been beat. Same percentage, wildly different monetary rewards for making 2013 happen for DL.
 

And in case you also missed it, not a single DL employee on this forum has come out and supported Kevin's notion that all employees should receive the same dollar amount in profit sharing.

That shouldn't surprise anyone, certainly not me. Like I said before; I'd like to see it happen. I'm not holding my breath.
 

meto can tell us how many pilots DL has but I can assure you that 100% of DL pilots would never support Kevin's proposal.

You're likely right. At the same time, I wonder how many of his cohorts recall all of us at NW taking a vacation to support them in bettering their careers? I
 

Feel free to stick your nose into the profit sharing discussion but I can absolutely assure you that Kevin's position and your siding with him regarding profit sharing only serves to further alienate what little support unions might have had among DL employees.

You need to get better at your messaging. The support for representation is anything but "little," and it is very much alive.

 

[Kev3188]

Kevin,
why don't you just argue that you should all receive the same paychecks?

'Cause that's silly.

Is it not clear to you that your profit sharing is directly related to the size of your paycheck.

It's crystal clear, which is exactly why I find it so unjust.

This idea is as DOA as they get.

No it's not.

 

[metopower]

Well if you want points of order. That raise was over five years. Your was over one year and you have received one each year as we have.

 

[Kev3188]

When ACS gets a percentage rate equal to yours over the same time span, let us know.
 
IMO, that's secondary to the fact that you were able to actually negotiate it, instead of hoping that you maybe might get one next year...

 

[WorldTraveler]

this would also be a fine time to remind the listening audience that DL pilots were the only DL or NW workgroup that had their pensions terminated, not frozen. Even with the BK settlement, DL pilots, like their peers at UA and US, suffered significant financial harm.

That doesn't change that DL hasn't treated pilots differently than other workers but it is absolutely true that a whole lot of DL pilots are using their profit sharing precisely to help rebuild their retirement accounts.

and Kev you can argue about the power you get from negotiating something but the vast majority of DL employees could care less how they get it.

What they do care about is that they actually do get it - and have year after year.

There are precious few labor groups esp in the airline industry that have received 10% plus increases in pay between profit sharing and a pay raise - and yet DL employees have received that multiple years in a row.

trying to argue that DL employees could do better with a union based on the pay raises and profit sharing DL employees have received over the past 5 years is worse than doing, well you know what, in church.

 

[Kev3188]

Not awesome.
 
'Course, they can always, you know, negotiate to mitigate that loss going forward. Everyone else that took a haircut doesn't have that luxury.

 

[WorldTraveler]

you do realize that negotiate doesn't include any assurance they will get anything?

ask DL pilots if they are happy with the size of the pay raises they have received over the past 5 years.

 

[700UW]

Well if you want points of order. That raise was over five years. Your was over one year and you have received one each year as we have.

No the raise was over a 2 1/2 year period.
 
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304058404577496790953561450
 

June 29, 2012
 
The nearly 11,000 pilots will receive a 4% pay increase on this week, another increase of 8.5% in January and then two annual increases of 3%, according to an earlier union bulletin that explained the terms of the deal reached May 15. By the end of 2014, pay rates will be nearly 20% higher than they are today, ALPA said in that bulletin. A 737 captain who earned $153 an hour in 2008, the year Delta and Northwest Airlines merged, will be paid $217 an hour effective in January 2015.

Dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[WorldTraveler]

you are truly priceless telling someone how much and when they got in their own pay raise.

DL pilots, just like non-contract employees received ONE PAY RAISE per year regardless of what date in the year it was given.

Meto's statement is correct.