Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[700UW]

And when you report as an officer or anyone getting paid by the union, you even have to breakdown your percentage of work hours and detail what it was for, ie. organizing, grievance work, local lodge business, negotiations, etc....

 

[Kev3188]

Ours were extensive, and we were happy to do it...

 

[700UW]

Again I did not state that was not my intention it is true that he works for the IAM or at least did as of last December.

Josh

Then why did you post "Corruption, Andy Buffenbarger......"

 

[737823]

Then why did you post "Corruption, Andy Buffenbarger......"

Did not intend and my post doesn't reflect that you just posted that.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Well you posted it, and I saved it.
 
Good luck.

 

[700UW]

Bill Lentsch, Senior Delta VP, announced one day after the flight attendants filed for a union election that Delta was extending PPT to Ready Reserves. This is a big victory for the 35% of Delta ramp and cargo workers that still have no vacation time, seniority, a regular pay scale, OJI pay protection, guaranteed work rules or health benefits.
 
Delta's move is fairly transparent. The flight attendants have filed with 60% of their group signing union cards. The ramp and cargo has seen a significant uptick in the number of cards coming into IAM Headquarters. Delta Corporate Leadership sees the handwriting on the wall. A union is coming for both groups. By providing PPT to a group that has been signing large numbers of union cards, they hope to blunt enthusiasm for the union cause. Delta - Give us more improvements. It only shows how much we can gain when we have a union and a contract
 

 

[robbedagain]

That cld be too little too late for dl after yrs n yrs of flipping the workers it appears the workers are waking up n taking action and seeing the true dl for what the real dl really is

 

[eolesen]

All I can say is contrast this with how AA handled the recent agent vote for the CWA. Did you see anything remotely close to what DL has done with the change to prescription coverage?

If this change to prescription coverage was so crucial, why wasn't it done during annual benefits enrollment?

 

[700UW]

AA remained neutral.

Why is it on for Anderson and the gang to have employment contracts yet they spend millions to fight their own employees who want a CBA?

 

[topDawg]

Dawg,
Yes the increased use of RJs has implications for F/As, but it wasn't a concession directly aimed at them. Pilot scope ultimately tickles down to all workgroups as the teeth in scope clause is tied to the operating certificate of the mainline carrier/entity (with some exceptions like US CWA agents).
 

Stop josh. Just stop. 
 
While at Delta the pilots hold the cards but places like AA have seen non-pilot unions have control over RJs too. IIRC it was the TWU or APFA that had/has a ASM cap for Eagle for example. 
 

DL is not going to shoot itself in the foot to punish the FAs for voting in a union if they do.

but the unionists here including 700 are WAY out of line by thinking that the IAM is going to take what DL FAs have now and continuing to build on it only for the better.

DL has EVERY opportunity in the process to express what IT wants in the process and the standard is NOT the best in the industry.

DL is NOT going to reward employees for joining a union.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is blind, deaf, and dumb all at the same time.

Gah I would give you 100 bucks to have the smallest of clues. you honestly make my head hurt. 
 

Tell DALPA that.
 
Clueless, your gone for eight years and yet you speak for Delta.
 
Piss of the frontline employees is the WT school of labor relations.

DALPA is different. They were a union before WT was around. Now the FAs should pay because of WTs butt hurt... 
 

And you have never worked for DL you have no idea how things are there!

Josh

Hey pot, stop talking. 
 

And the fact that it took multiple times just shows you the greedy self serving union leaders are only looking to pad their membership rolls and dues income they can't take no for an answer.

Josh

Again, do you understand how unions work or nah? 
 

 

Neither can you, apparently.


Talking about AA in a DL thread? Seriously?

again. This is a big game to Josh and WT. Why not? all it is for them is who has the big dick. 

 

[700UW]

http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=1450c9c25bd3b5096022a9f71&id=90580d8270
 
A Message from APFA National President Laura Glading

Yesterday the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) delivered nearly 12,000 election request cards to the National Mediation Board. Each card was signed by a courageous Delta Air Lines Flight Attendant who chose unity and solidarity over division and fear. For Flight Attendants, that has meant decades of substandard work rules and now, sub-par wages as well. I relayed our congratulations to our counterparts at the IAM today, and offered APFA’s support. This is an important step in raising the bar for bargaining in our profession. Organizing at Delta will help lift Flight Attendants’ compensation and work rules throughout the industry.  
                                                                      
I have negotiated many contracts and agreements in my career and, with the exception of the most recent, management has always said: “We’ll pay you Delta’s wages if you give us Delta’s work rules.” For decades, Delta management has hamstrung Flight Attendant contract negotiations throughout the industry. I’m looking forward to the day when that is no longer the case. 
 
Once verified, the NMB will conduct a representation election. 
 
In Unity,
Laura Glading

 

[topDawg]

All I can say is contrast this with how AA handled the recent agent vote for the CWA. Did you see anything remotely close to what DL has done with the change to prescription coverage?

If this change to prescription coverage was so crucial, why wasn't it done during annual benefits enrollment?

because they didn't have a union vote about to happen. 
 

 

Yes it is.

And just for frame of reference, my dues at the time of the merger were $46/mo.
 
 

I highly doubt they'll be anywhere near that figure. $40-$60 is much more realistic.

One thing of note: I would (and will for ACS) push for dues to be the exact same regardless of base/local.

100 bucks is high. Most 50-100K a year jobs will pay 40-60 in union does at any US union. 
 
AT&T employee that makes more than the DLFAs and is a CWA union employees pays about 50 IIRC. 
 

There have been some incorrect assumptions made about what happened with pmDL people getting raises while pmNW didn't.

At the time, the pmNW folks were covered by a CBA, and giving them a raise would have contaminated lab conditions, violated the CBA's scope, or both.
 
 

Yeah, not so sure there. It's entirely possible DL could still be accused of interference and violating the status quo on something as benign as the prescription drug changes.

If it's challenged and DL can show it was under consideration before the card drive started, or it was something initiated by UHC, they might have a leg to stand on.

Then again, DL's no stranger to being accused of interfering with elections, so maybe they've been emboldened by their past antics actions.

It would go to the NMB and, as long as it is "fair" its not issue. 
 
Now if Delta comes out and gives 20% pay raises, two weeks of vacation and no more outsourcing.....yeah that is interfering. 
 

yes, DL published the cost of premiums before open enrollment. DL also provided the dtails of coverage for each plan.

There are NO details about what the union can provide.

A CBA is a NEGOTIATED agreement and there is ABSOLUTELY no assurance that DL will choose to continue to provide the same thing.

for all of these years you have harped about DL having the freedom to do whatever it wants and now when it is possible that DL might just do that after a union vote, you want to act like it has all been set in stone.

The DL FAs will start from ground zero in negotiating an agreement.

There is NO assurance that they will get anything they have.

again talking out of your ass. No it does not work that way. Delta and the IAM will base any CBA off what the current FAs have as well as what FAs have at other airlines. 
 
It does not start at zero. It is very clear you have no idea how negotiations work. (not shocking from a Leo guy) 
 

of course DL could have given raises to the PMNW workers as well.

Even they were smart enough to realize that they were being put in a corner without pay raises until they chose not to vote for a union.

whether it happens before or after the FA vote, the end result will be that the FAs will PAY for being a part of a union.... while their peers elsewhere at the company will continue to receive far more bennies.

To believe otherwise is simply naïve.

and given that 700 has everything to gain by getting $12 million in union dues while losing nothing if they choose to stay non-union, no one would expect him to present the real downside.

700 is so classic union by denigrating anyone that is not pro-IAM. The FAs will find out how bad that union mindset is if they choose to be represented by the IAM and unionistas like 700.

At Delta, so far, the union side has it better. 
 

I have nothing to gain.
 
I dont have a dog in this fight, I am a trade unionist.
 
What do you HAVE to gain since you arent a FA nor a ramper and yet you spew the most the most anti-union venom more than anyone and you have been gone from DL over eight years.
 
So how much does DL or F&H and any other third party, which you are.
 
Gee I dont see DL having problems with its unionized dispatchers and Pilots.
 
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2014/04/25/delta-gets-along-fine-with-alpa-can-jetblue-do-the-same/

winning the internets........ 
 

you won't find any federal documents showing that I have ever been paid to fight against unions.

You will find federal records showing that 700 has been paid for serving in union capacities - and gained health compensation for doing so.

DALPA acts unlike the rest of the quarrelsome labor environment that is the norm in the legacy sector of the airline industry.

They are more like WN's unions than those at AA or UA.

DL will allow the IAM and the FAs to determine what path they want to take WRT relations with the company. and when they prove they will work with the company, they'll get the goods. In that order.

No no no WT. You said early Delta is going to play hard ball and all that, not they are going to give them a chance to have a good relationship? pick a target dude. 
 

WT is not anti-union.

The LM-2s do not show to the penny and we both there are all kinds of ways unions can conceal, shield and use miscellaneous accounts when preparing the reports. And the y are not audited to the same level as a public company. The IAM is such a weak and pathetic union I don't know if it's more sad or troubling that DL people may be falling for their tricks. Buffy looked like he wet his pants in the video he must be so excited about the new dues payers.

Josh

You are both anti-union and anti-labor.

 

[700UW]

Dog they just had an election late last year due to the merger.

 

[700UW]

I gained no health compensation, what in the hades is he talking about?

I worked the raid at US back in the summer of 2013 for several months, and I was done.
 
And I knew it was going to be public record and have nothing to hide.

 

[700UW]

http://youtu.be/H5usYSo-GQw