Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[700UW]

How many stations did DL have below the wing before the merger?
 
Was it like 12, while PMNW had 40.
 
Plus having scope language, better benefits, QOL issues in a CBA are all part of costs.
Why does AA unionized employees have better and cheaper insurance that DL offers to its own employees?
 
Does Anderson sit on UHC's board?

 

[WeAAsles]

I find it mildly amusing how WT can only talk about the illusory premise of Profit Sharing instead of discussing the "Total Value Compensation Package" for each individual workgroup and how that correlates to the entire collective employed by Delta. The PERCENTAGES of those on the TOP rung as opposed to those on the lower levels of which there are quite too many.

 

[WeAAsles]

How many stations did DL have below the wing before the merger?
 
Was it like 12, while PMNW had 40.
 
Plus having scope language, better benefits, QOL issues in a CBA are all part of costs.
Why does AA unionized employees have better and cheaper insurance that DL offers to its own employees?
 
Does Anderson sit on UHC's board?

Did you read all of those FB posts where people were talking about there Prescription deductibles?

One FA said her payment for her first filled prescription was near $2000.00.

There goes that PS check right out the window.

 

[topDawg]

How many stations did DL have below the wing before the merger?
 
Was it like 12, while PMNW had 40.
 
Plus having scope language, better benefits, QOL issues in a CBA are all part of costs.
Why does AA unionized employees have better and cheaper insurance that DL offers to its own employees?
 
Does Anderson sit on UHC's board?

ATL, CVG, JFK, LGA, EWR, SLC, LAX, HNL, TPA, MCO, FLL, BOS, SJU is all Delta had.
 
and no he doesn't sit on UHC board.  
 
 
just a note, NW and the IAM scope gave Delta: MSP DTW MEM HNL IND IAD LGA PDX ORD JFK LAX ANC MCO PHX MKE TPA DCA DFW LAS BNA SEA BWI ATL MSN BOS MDW EWR STL MCI CMH DEN RSW GRR FLL PHL GRB SFO FNT IAH MSY
 
Also with the NW scope (which was 7 flights a day but also counted 76 seaters) Delta would have to bring SAV*, RDU*, BHM*, CHS*, CLT*, SAN*, MIA*, JAX*, PBI*, PIT*, ORF*, RIC*, CLE*, SRQ*, SDF*, SYR, ROC, BUF, HSV, PNS*, ECP*, VPS*, LIT, OKC, AUS*, SAT*, HOU*, SNA*, SMF, SJC, OAK, OMA*, GEG, BDL*, 
 
JAN, GSP, GSO, CAE, TYS and a few others would be close and would probably go over with the reductions in 50 seaters. 
 
 
* are purely mainline driven. the 76 seater part is not very clear to me so I thought I would show both. That is 34 stations that would have to be below wing under the old NW scope agreement. (in addition to all the stations DL currently has as mainline.
 
Also SLC and MEM cargo would have to come back in-house. 

 

[diamondcutter]

I find it mildly amusing how WT can only talk about the illusory premise of Profit Sharing instead of discussing the "Total Value Compensation Package" for each individual workgroup and how that correlates to the entire collective employed by Delta. The PERCENTAGES of those on the TOP rung as opposed to those on the lower levels of which there are quite too many.

He never will because he won't admit defeat, and I'll betcha he will deflect ! Ex. will defect by bringing in SW , rasm, prasm, casm, blah blahbasm ect. ect. His narrative is a work of fiction!!!

 

[eolesen]

Seven mainline flights a week including AA metal worked.

I think you meant 7 per day. The calculation used to be 2555 annual departures (7/day) for stations that were TWU staffed before some point in 1994, and 5475 AD's (15/day) for newer stations.

Being an annual cap allowed for some variability e.g. 6/day in off-peak and 8/day in peak season.

 

[700UW]

No it's seven flights a week at PMUS I have posted the language before and the link.

It's seven a week including AA metal worked.

 

[Kev3188]

just a note, NW and the IAM scope gave Delta: MSP DTW MEM HNL IND IAD LGA PDX ORD JFK LAX ANC MCO PHX MKE TPA DCA DFW LAS BNA SEA BWI ATL MSN BOS MDW EWR STL MCI CMH DEN RSW GRR FLL PHL GRB SFO FNT IAH MSY
 
Also with the NW scope (which was 7 flights a day but also counted 76 seaters) Delta would have to bring SAV*, RDU*, BHM*, CHS*, CLT*, SAN*, MIA*, JAX*, PBI*, PIT*, ORF*, RIC*, CLE*, SRQ*, SDF*, SYR, ROC, BUF, HSV, PNS*, ECP*, VPS*, LIT, OKC, AUS*, SAT*, HOU*, SNA*, SMF, SJC, OAK, OMA*, GEG, BDL*,

Imagine that!
 

* are purely mainline driven. the 76 seater part is not very clear to me so I thought I would show both. That is 34 stations that would have to be below wing under the old NW scope agreement. (in addition to all the stations DL currently has as mainline.

The short version is:

*You needed 50 departures/week (based on 2005's flight schedules) to live. Mainline and/or CP operated flights both counted.

*You needed 30 departures week to stay alive, but had to drop below that for 9 consecutive mos. or more to even be considered for outsourcing. No stations were cut post-BK.

You needed 70/week to be reborn (over 9 consecutive mos., 4 per year max, 62 total max.). That never happened.

JFK & ANC were both exempted from any threshold counts.

 

[WorldTraveler]

EVERY insurance plan in the US airline industry comes with a deductible... and it is no surprise that there are deductibles at the beginning of the year.

DL offered free insurance - and I mean at no premium to the employee and minimal deductible - up until 9/11.

Your disdain for high quality insurance like DL once offered should be directed to the White House. That is not only a result but a design of ObamaCare.

There have been legions of articles about the soaring out of pocket costs for all Americans. It is hardly a DL thing and hardly something that unions have been able to do anything about elsewhere in the US economy.

I find it mildly amusing how WT can only talk about the illusory premise of Profit Sharing instead of discussing the "Total Value Compensation Package" for each individual workgroup and how that correlates to the entire collective employed by Delta. The PERCENTAGES of those on the TOP rung as opposed to those on the lower levels of which there are quite too many.

no, I have repeatedly talked about total compensation.

You and others have tried to make profit sharing to be something that might but probably will not be a long term feature of compensation
Given that all of the US airlines are expecting even stronger 2015s than 2014s despite hedging losses, this is a really bad time to try to argue that employees should not participate in company profits when US airlines will be more profitable than they have ever been.

If unions or any company is willing to pay MORE than what is currently being drawn down by employees in total compensation, then ditch the profit sharing.

DL's profit sharing makes a mockery out of the claim that AA's plan of DL scale wages plus 7% will make them higher paid given that DL given that DL will be paying out 15-16 % or more in profit sharing.

 

[robbedagain]

cant wait til we see your spin when the FAs vote in the IAM    man itll be so much fun to see how you react and respond considering you have been gone for almost a decade now...

 

[diamondcutter]

EVERY insurance plan in the US airline industry comes with a deductible... and it is no surprise that there are deductibles at the beginning of the year.DL offered free insurance - and I mean at no premium to the employee and minimal deductible - up until 9/11.Your disdain for high quality insurance like DL once offered should be directed to the White House. That is not only a result but a design of ObamaCare.There have been legions of articles about the soaring out of pocket costs for all Americans. It is hardly a DL thing and hardly something that unions have been able to do anything about elsewhere in the US economy.no, I have repeatedly talked about total compensation.You and others have tried to make profit sharing to be something that might but probably will not be a long term feature of compensationGiven that all of the US airlines are expecting even stronger 2015s than 2014s despite hedging losses, this is a really bad time to try to argue that employees should not participate in company profits when US airlines will be more profitable than they have ever been.If unions or any company is willing to pay MORE than what is currently being drawn down by employees in total compensation, then ditch the profit sharing.DL's profit sharing makes a mockery out of the claim that AA's plan of DL scale wages plus 7% will make them higher paid given that DL given that DL will be paying out 15-16 % or more in profit sharing.

If it's a mockery then prove it with facts , you have been asked how many times now??? Side by side with my 28yrs as an fa I'm making more in the total value , and that does not include our better insurance!! WHAT IS THE TOTALL VALUE OF THE DL FA'S COMPENSATION?? WHAT WILL A DL FA TOP OUT AT FOR HOURLY PAY IN 2,3 ,4 AND 5 YRS FROM NOW???

 

[700UW]

Wrong the Affordable Healthcare Act has not changed insurance.
 
DL's pilots have better plan than ACS.
 
PMUS has better plans and less costly to the member than DL.

Keep up the lies and misinformation.

 

[WorldTraveler]

you have absolutely no clue.

ACA has absolutely changed the premiums that companies can offer to their employees and what is considered "Cadillac plans"

there are a host of discussions about why companies have been forced to reduce their insurance coverage because of government regulations.

and there is no doubt that there are people are paying more for health care - and I am one of them.

but health care costs are a part of the total compensation package and that 7% difference in DL rates plus profit sharing is absolutely being used to pay for increased healthcare coverage.

health care costs are a real expense for airlines, just as much as fuel. They don't absorb those cost increases. they just reshuffle it with other costs.


As for if the FAs do vote for the IAM, the real test is what the FAs end up compared with where they are today.

and as for compensation comparisons, I have repeatedly told you that they will become available later this year for 2014. that is the way it has always worked.

 

[700UW]

The Cadillac clause doesnt go into effect till 2018, you are wrong again.
 
The IAM has LOAs on the Cadillac plan status for 2018.
 
So you are wrong again, keep up the lies and misinformation.
 
There are no changes in anyone's coverage from companies due to the ACA.
 
Companies have changed plans on their own, not due to the ACA.

 

[WeAAsles]

FACTS. Try not to let em hit ya in the old gluteus maximus.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/12/04/3599808/obamacare-premiums-fall-in-at-least-14-states/