Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[robbedagain]

Btw according to an email from kip MN says he did not violate dl policy n therefore he is eligible for unemployment from state great job kip. He went on to say the ACS is TURNING IN CARDS IN LARGE DROVES

 

[Kev3188]

They certainly are...

 

[WorldTraveler]

FACTS. Try not to let em hit ya in the old gluteus maximus.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/12/04/3599808/obamacare-premiums-fall-in-at-least-14-states/

 
well looky there.... they measured PREMIUM costs... not deductibles.

not coverage.

and they said nothing about total medical costs.

they are rising across the board and Bummercare has done nothing to stop it. hope that isn't too much news for you in one day.

 

The Cadillac clause doesnt go into effect till 2018, you are wrong again.
 
The IAM has LOAs on the Cadillac plan status for 2018.
 
So you are wrong again, keep up the lies and misinformation.
 
There are no changes in anyone's coverage from companies due to the ACA.
 
Companies have changed plans on their own, not due to the ACA.

yes, there are indeed provisions for Cadillac care and they have to be negotiated into any CBA that extends into 2018.

are you saying that the IAM will negotiate a plan for DL employees that will only cover a couple years or will not have Cadillac plan penalties?
 
 

Btw according to an email from kip MN says he did not violate dl policy n therefore he is eligible for unemployment from state great job kip. He went on to say the ACS is TURNING IN CARDS IN LARGE DROVES

DL never contested his unemployment compensation.

good for the ACS card drive... not only will they see their compensation decrease but DL will suddenly have little reason to keep from closing medium sized cities, just like AA and UA have done.

 

[robbedagain]

dl can and has closed various cities even parts of the system with no regard to the hard working folks of DL    At least at both UA and AA there is a recourse    unlike DL folks who are AT WILL

 

[WorldTraveler]

DL has closed far fewer cities since DL's BK than AA or UA have. that is a fact.

AA and UA employees couldn't stop the company from the station and being forced to move.

and they got the same option to move to other cities just like DL offers. that's the way the industry has always worked.

 

[WeAAsles]

Of course we could keep all of our cities just like Delta supposedly has if we also drop our pay to $10.00 an hour too. Boy does that sound appealing. NOT!!!

 

[700UW]

Show us any union CBA for a newly organized group that their compensation went down.

And unionized workers have earn more in total compensation than their non-union counterparts, studies and statistics prove that.

So why did DL pilots get a 20% raise over the past year and a half?

And AA's proposal is 7% higher than DL and they are union?

 

[diamondcutter]

you have absolutely no clue.ACA has absolutely changed the premiums that companies can offer to their employees and what is considered "Cadillac plans"there are a host of discussions about why companies have been forced to reduce their insurance coverage because of government regulations.and there is no doubt that there are people are paying more for health care - and I am one of them.but health care costs are a part of the total compensation package and that 7% difference in DL rates plus profit sharing is absolutely being used to pay for increased healthcare coverage.health care costs are a real expense for airlines, just as much as fuel. They don't absorb those cost increases. they just reshuffle it with other costs.As for if the FAs do vote for the IAM, the real test is what the FAs end up compared with where they are today.and as for compensation comparisons, I have repeatedly told you that they will become available later this year for 2014. that is the way it has always worked.

Then how come you have repeatedly stated DL fa's are paid higher ??? So then you don't know if they are?

 

[WorldTraveler]

AA's proposal is 7% over DL SCALE rates - again, with no profit sharing. DL's profit sharing is 16% ABOVE earnings.

I don't care about general information about union vs. non-union workers. I know it is true.

I care about DL vs. other US airlines.

on that basis, it is NOT accurate that DL employees trail their direct peers in the US airline industry.

 

[WeAAsles]

By overall pay and benefits for the entire group YES they do.

 

[topDawg]

Interesting. I'm curious about some things that I'm sure Kev can answer for me. WT spouts off on what Delta employees receive today but I'd love to get a little history lesson for comparisons?

In 2003 AA did concessions and I went down to $20.00 per hour base rate. We went up to $21.00 and essentially sat there till 2012. In the interim I was still receiving Pension accumulations, now frozen that I will benefit from when I retire.

Delta and Northwest went into BK in 2005. 2 years later. Pensions were dumped on the PBGC and I think there will be cuts from what the original payouts should have been upon retirement? Anyway getting back to BASE rates, how much did Fleet TOP SCALE people go down to and how long did that last?

On the Profit Sharing after Delta merged and put in the PS formula how much did it pay out again for those who were still on that top tier pay scale? When did it start paying out and was it a windfall to make up for the base wage losses?

Essentially since I already know that on BASE rates for a pretty long time we here at AA (excluding SWA) were the top payed in the industry what would be my overall compensation for the last decade against my Delta peers?

Oh and because we didn't hire for so long basically every FSC topped out at AA during those years.

I guess we could compare benefit costs at a later date. 

 
 

Imagine that!
 

The short version is:

*You needed 50 departures/week (based on 2005's flight schedules) to live. Mainline and/or CP operated flights both counted.

*You needed 30 departures week to stay alive, but had to drop below that for 9 consecutive mos. or more to even be considered for outsourcing. No stations were cut post-BK.

You needed 70/week to be reborn (over 9 consecutive mos., 4 per year max, 62 total max.). That never happened.

JFK & ANC were both exempted from any threshold counts.

Okay cool. 
 

The Cadillac clause doesnt go into effect till 2018, you are wrong again.
 
The IAM has LOAs on the Cadillac plan status for 2018.
 
So you are wrong again, keep up the lies and misinformation.
 
There are no changes in anyone's coverage from companies due to the ACA.
 
Companies have changed plans on their own, not due to the ACA.

good lord WT
 

They certainly are...

above wing or below? 
 

DL has closed far fewer cities since DL's BK than AA or UA have. that is a fact.

AA and UA employees couldn't stop the company from the station and being forced to move.

and they got the same option to move to other cities just like DL offers. that's the way the industry has always worked.

Lololololol if that isn't one of the stupidest pissing contests I have ever heard. 
 
Hey we kicked you in the nuts but we did it without being in BK so we are clearly much better. Hell those other guys had to have a judge force those cuts while we here at Delta just give you that big ol nut kick whenever we would like. 
 
 
btw care to spin away on the station list I posted? I would love to hear why it would be so terrible for mainline employees if Delta had to bring in 30+ below wing station. 

 

[Airlinelifer]

It's hilarious that WT boasts about all the stations D E L T A presently has mainline ramp employees (Delta had 14 at the time of the merger). When the real reason is that the 40 stations that NWA brought to the merger had IAM Union represented employees under contract working the ramp that would have been vendored out during BK if not for the IAM (to the DGS like clone "GroundCo").
 
Those stations were still open post BK not because of NWA management, but because of the IAM standing its ground.
 
How did that compare to the unrepresented Delta ramp employees during BK?

 

[topDawg]

It's hilarious that WT boasts about all the stations D E L T A presently has mainline ramp employees (Delta had 14 at the time of the merger). When the real reason is that the 40 stations that NWA brought to the merger had IAM Union represented employees under contract working the ramp that would have been vendored out during BK if not for the IAM (to the DGS like clone "GroundCo").
 
Those stations were still open post BK not because of NWA management, but because of the IAM standing its ground.
 
How did that compare to the unrepresented Delta ramp employees during BK?

Well Delta started cutting the ramp before BK but even during BK stations like SEA and MCI got DGSed 
 
So basically look at what United is doing now......that was Delta 10 years ago. (but dammit they were still first! thus better) 

 

[Kev3188]

above wing or below?

Below.
 
No current campaign for the AW group...

 

[700UW]