Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[topDawg]

Anyone?

 No one has said it. WT is tossing more butt hurt crap against the wall again. 
 
You can't push fear and tell the truth all the time. For him to push fear he has to almost, if not, lie to get people to fall into line and think as he tells them too. You can have an opinion as long as it is what is best for Delta. If Delta wants to grind you kids up and use them as jet fuel he would spin it into a positive. 
 

horse pucky.

Kev and other ACTIVE DL employees have whined about the RR program for years.

You can't argue that ALL AA employees are better compensated even with profit sharing compared to all DL employees.

the better benefits that AA is for a limited part of the population - esp. at AA where the workforce is more senior. DL has grown the airline and has more younger seniority employees who benefit MORE by profit sharing than by giving higher cost benefits to the highest seniority employees.

DL's compensation model does a better job of spreading the wealth with as much of the population than any union based compensation model where pay and benefits are tailored to those in power which are largely higher seniority people.

NO one HAS to do any job including working RR for DL. DL attracts a lot of intelligent people who want flexible work schedules that is heavily centered on the most peak travel periods of the year.

you don't have to want the job. It's not for you.

RR is a different term for a system that DL has used since well before deregulation. And there are many, many DL people who started as part-time, non-benefitted employees and have moved up - or who earned the money they needed and moved on to other jobs.

One of my very good friends worked for DL exactly under this type of program while in college, quit when he got a career that was related to his degree and nothing about what DL does, and is now a Diamond Medallion on DL - and remains a very big fan of the way DL does business.

the system works to the benefit of many people and the company.

you and others simply do not want to admit it because it doesn't allow the union to create long-term union members.

Jesus man. You just make as much crap up as you possibly can and hope some of it sticks. 
 
The only thing Kev has said about RR is wanting to see clear language (that the company cant change at will) on how many there are per station. How this is rocket science to understand I have no idea.  
 

the IAM will, wait, wait, negotiate what the members want.

Who has said they want to see RR go away?
 

what ARE you proposing that the IAM can give the RRs that won't make the program too costly that DL eliminates the program and starts closing stations?

Why do they have to "give them" something? I know quite a few RRs in ATL and all of them want to see clear limits (even if it is the current numbers) and clear language on the program. That allows those that want to advance to have an idea of how/when/where they will be able to do it, and those that want to stay as RR(quite a few of them) can do so also.

 

[WorldTraveler]

you don't get it and never will.

You and Kev think the GO is nothing but a candy store that you can walk in and get whatever you want and not pay.

Even one of AA's labor activists admits that every item in a CBA has a cost.

the RR program absolutely keeps people like Kev in a job making more than his peers at AA and UA. Putting limits on the program is absolutely telling the company it cannot do what it wants and that is precisely why DL is able to provide higher pay for its FT topped out employees like Kev.

Maybe he has twinges of guilt about that but he is not going to see improvements to the RR program without coming from somewhere else in the ramp budget - and that would very likely be his own paycheck.

DL could absolutely eliminate or reduce the profit sharing program, keep the FAs who unionized at the same rate they have now, and then raise the pay rate of non-contract employees.

how you and others can be so incredibly naïve as to believe that DL will reward ANY workgroup with MORE as a result of unionizing is simply incredible.

DL will stop the pay increases and profit sharing in its tracks for those who unionize.

More restrictive work rules will result in lower pay for someone.

to believe otherwise requires one to believe in the tooth fairy or mermaids.

 

[robbedagain]

legally if the FAs go union and then DL drops their PS that's one hell of a grievance/nightmare for DL MGMT to start out with...  😉

 

[Kev3188]

No one has said it. WT is tossing more butt hurt crap against the wall again. 
 
You can't push fear and tell the truth all the time. For him to push fear he has to almost, if not, lie to get people to fall into line and think as he tells them too. You can have an opinion as long as it is what is best for Delta. If Delta wants to grind you kids up and use them as jet fuel he would spin it into a positive. 

That'd make us a "first mover" in the employee funded alternative fuel field

The only thing Kev has said about RR is wanting to see clear language (that the company cant change at will) on how many there are per station. How this is rocket science to understand I have no idea.  

It's not. Nor would it simply holding the company accountable to it's own policies/procedures make for an increase in costs.
 

Who has said they want to see RR go away?

Probably the same fear mongers running around telling F/A's that A days will automatically go away...

Why do they have to "give them" something? I know quite a few RRs in ATL and all of them want to see clear limits (even if it is the current numbers) and clear language on the program. That allows those that want to advance to have an idea of how/when/where they will be able to do it, and those that want to stay as RR(quite a few of them) can do so also.

Yes. This. Some clear language (and a little transparency) would go a long way.

And guess what: those are also both no cost items.

 

[WorldTraveler]

DL has a policy regarding RRs, Kev.

you have harped against it and said how unfair it is and how you they have been disenfranchised by the company.

trying to impose limits on it that are above what the company is doing (why would someone vote for a union to enforce what DL already is doing?) is the perfect recipe for taking compensation progression away from topped out employees right at the very time that DL like the rest of the industry is posting record profits.

dawg is correct. The pilots are already considering reducing profit sharing. They could exchange profit sharing for increases in pay. Profit sharing has been an equalizer at DL - all employees receive the same percentage. If DL whacks profit sharing at DALPA's request, there is NO ASSURANCE whatsoever that they will monetize it for other employee groups at the same rate.

Employee groups that unionize could very well see their pay reset to industry standard levels while losing profit sharing.

now that you are forced to admit that there is no candy shop and any improvements for RR employees will have to come by weakening the compensation program for FT employees, you aren't quite so willing to tout improvements for RR employees, are you? and yet you need their vote in spade in order to get the IAM in.

just like the Machinist's union appeals to the DL FAs, the unionistas have been pushing economically unviable promises that do not square with what DL's competitors FAs have with unions..... not one of them has the same combination of the aggressive pay rates and growth in profit sharing which so far tops what any other carrier is paying (let's see what percentage WN will pay its employees) but WN employee pay growth has stopped while DL continues to provide pay increases.

once again, the Machinists' union is trying to create expectations of more that are very unlikely to become reality while the certainty is that DL FAs will pay hundreds of millions of dollars per year to watch their compensation growth of the past several years stopped in its tracks.

DL FAs can see thru the failed logic of that deal.

 

[700UW]

12,000

 

[Kev3188]

12,000

 
Yes. 12k. The majority of the F/A corps at DL.

Still looking for anything that talks about "eliminating" the RR program at DL.

Anyone?

 

[WorldTraveler]

which is a fraction of the number of cards that have been delivered for votes before and yet there have been THREE, not one, not two, but three failed unionization attempts.

DL is rolling out the information campaign to the FAs. They are not pulling any punches on pointing out that ExpressJet FAs pay $700 per year for representation and that the Machinist union has lost 36% of its members in the past 13 years.

Of course DL's huge employee ranks have long been a big target for organized labor.

the Machinists' union leadership is salivating at what DL FAs can do to shore up IAM finances.

DL FAs will realize they aren't going to be used to turn around an organization that has failed because of one strategic mistake after another.

so, Kev, are you going to pander for votes from the RRs but not be able to offer them anything because only in your candy store view of the world can you expect to improve their salary without reducing your own and that of your topped out peers? RRs aren't going to pay horrendous union dues to maintain the status quo - which is your vastly inflated salaries compared to theirs.

 

[700UW]

DL FAs will pay hundreds of millions of dollars per year?

 

[Kev3188]

 

DL FAs will pay hundreds of millions of dollars per year?

Lol. Of course not.

But why let that get in the way of a good narrative?

 

[700UW]

This isn't the other three campaigns, this isn't six years ago and it's not the same DL that you took the money and left.

Your posts are filled with fear and lies.

This isn't about money they want a CBA with QOL issues defined.

12,000 and still rising.

 

[WorldTraveler]

even the lowest union dues amount that the Machinists union collects is indeed hundreds of dollars per year in union dues.

to argue that union dues won't amount to "hundreds of dollars per year per FA" let alone the $700 per year that ExpressJet FAs pay is nothing but lies from the unionistas.

DL FAs want that money in their pocket... not that of unionistas that have proven they can't really deliver anything better that what DL FAs already have.

 

[700UW]

The DL FAs will set their own dues per their bylaws that they will have input on and vote on to approve.

No DL FAS will pay dues until they ratify a CBA, at CO dues were about $60 a month and they had the highest hourly rate in the industry. Union dues are also tax deductible.

What will be your next set of lies?

 

[Kev3188]

 

The DL FAs will set their own dues per their bylaws that they will have input on and vote on to approve.

No DL FAS will pay dues until they ratify a CBA...

And their democratically elected reps will make sure that the issues most important to the workgroup are those that are brought to the fore.

As for dues, I get that they're a convenient bogeyman, but I certainly got a large return on my investment...

 

[WorldTraveler]

for hundreds of millions of dollars per year in union dues, the RRs will get more bang for their buck by keeping it in THEIR wallets.

and you still can't address the question as to why DL would all of a sudden start adding on enormous costs to the RR program without taking it out of the paychecks of topped out workers.

the reason why you got a nice return on your investment is because NW, not DL, threatened to close cities that would have jeopardized your job.