Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[700UW]

Keep the lies dues for 20,000 is about $12 million a year so where are you coming up with your fear and lie figure?

Even DL's own anti-union web page has stated $12,000,000.

You are nothing more than a fear filled liar.

They won't pay a penny in dues till they ratify a CBA and dues are tax deductible.

 

[Kev3188]

...And you don't even have to wait until 4/15 to see a return on your investment...

 

[WorldTraveler]

with 20K FAs (I think DL knows how many FAs it has) and $700/year per FA (which is what ExpressJet FAs pay in union dues, is it not?), it is $14 million.

but even it is "just $12 million" there are a whole lot of FAs who don't want even $600 per year of their paycheck to go to a union.

and those union dues will start a whole lot sooner than they will want them to - you have argued repeatedly about how fast DL has to agree to a contract.

you can't argue out of both sides of your mouth - even though you do it all the time.

A CBA WILL bring hundreds of dollars in union dues per DL FA per year.


...

btw, UA just reported its 4th quarter and annual results. Their profit sharing was $235 million - less than ONE-FOURTH of what DL employees yet.

IF DL reduces profit sharing to industry average - which is all that FAs can be expected to get if the company isn't willing to sign - they could lose 10% of their paychecks.

and since industry average includes AA which pays NOTHING in profit sharing, the calculations could be even worse.

...And you don't even have to wait until 4/15 to see a return on your investment...

that's right Kev.

DL profit sharing - at 16% for the year - will be paid out on Feb 14.

 

[700UW]

DL FAs will write and ratify on their bylaws including how much their dues will be.
 
They wont pay a single penny until they have a ratified CBA.
 
Too hard for you to understand?
 
And I have already posted from CO FAs in 2339N and how their dues are calculated.
 
And once again dues are tax deductible, and some of their dues will go to the DL FAs who they elect as their representatives to pay their salary.
 
And you are lying again, I have NEVER stated how fast DL will agree to a CBA, show me where I have stated that?
 
Your posts reek of fear, misinformation and lies.
 
Every single penny will be accounted for and public record, can you say the same about DL?
 
And DL FAs vote every month at their meeting on how to spend their dues.

 

[Kev3188]

The good news is the majority of DL F/A's have decided that all of this change is worth looking into.

 

[700UW]

The good news is the majority of DL F/A's have decided that all of this change is worth looking into.

Exactly, and he is wasting his time preaching and lying to the one DL FA that posts, lol.

 

[WorldTraveler]

The good news is the majority of DL F/A's have decided that all of this change is worth looking into.

of course they will LOOK INTO IT... and then there is a very good chance they will "JUST SAY NO" like they have done 3 times before.

to believe that the Machinist's union will support dues for DL FAs that are far higher paid than ExpressJet FAs at a level below those regional carrier employees is simply non-sense.

there is no way the IAM will put union membership "on sale".


and there is no way that DL FAs want to transfer part of their paycheck to their peers... esp. lower seniority FAs who will be disproportionately hit with union dues while very likely being represented by topped out FAs that will protect their interests.

and the worst part is that DL FAs won't know how much of ANYTHING they will get until they get infected with unionitis which has been shown to be a disease that can't be cured. once unionized, airline employees can't get out when they find out how bad it is.

they can switch which is what NW employees did.... but they can't get rid of the union sucking money out of their paychecks.

 

[700UW]

This isnt three times before, this isnt six years ago.
 
You left Delta Airlines (paid you to leave) you werent a FA nor are you one now.
 
You dont work for DL and you arent an inflight crew member nor management.
 
This isnt the same DL you took the money from and ran.
 
The current DL FAs started this campaign two years ago,and over 12,000 CURRENT DL FAs signed cards for an election, and cards keep coming in, is that too hard to understand?
 
No one will be transferring their earnings to a junior FA.
 
You are lying again, your full of fear.
 
You have no clue about the RLA and Section 6 negotiations.
 
And the bottom line is if they unionize they will VOTE and have a say on their pay, benefits and work rules, something they dont have now, yet the pilots do, and on the same trip Pilots get paid three hours more block time than an FA, how is that fair, when they work the same block hours?
 
They want a CBA with set rules and policies, they want Quality of Life, not to be an employee at will and DL does what ever they want to them.
 
If you actually were a FA and interacted with them, you would know what this issues are, and money isnt the top of the list.
 
And you have no idea on how dues are calculated and collected and there are provisions for junior employees who are at a lower scale to receive special dispensation and pay a lower rate of dues, we had that at my Local Lodge for the employees who made $11 and under per hour.
 
Keep up the lies and misinformation.
 
And even if dues are the same rate they do get the same representation.
 
And every penny of dues spent are public record, unlike a corporation.
 
And the DL FAs vote on how to spend the dues money at their base.

 

[WorldTraveler]

you never worked for DL and never have been an FA... so you are no more qualified to speak on the subject than I am.

your tirade only shows that you can't tell the DL FAs what they will shell out in union dues or get in anything else so they are taking a big roll at the roulette wheel with a union - with no realistic chance of getting rid of a union once they start sucking up union dues, deliver or not.

At least with profit sharing, DL FA's interests are aligned with the stockholders.

DL FAs CANNOT vote in the IAM and not "donate" (euphemism) to the national treasury and to support paid organizers and activists.

there is no "pay for performance" with unions. They get paid regardless of what they deliver.

bad system. One that DL employees will "consider" and then vote down, just as they have 3 other times.

 

[700UW]

You do realize unions are non-profit organizations?

And that money will pay for the DL FAs who become officers and representatives, will pay for their CBA and other things and every penny spent is public record and many of the expenditures will be voted on by DL FAs.

 

[Kev3188]

Why let any of that get in the way of a good story?

 

[WorldTraveler]

You do realize unions are non-profit organizations?

And that money will pay for the DL FAs who become officers and representatives, will pay for their CBA and other things and every penny spent is public record and many of the expenditures will be voted on by DL FAs.

non-profit doesn't stop individuals from personally gaining. Unions are non-profit. Their officers are not any more than DL FAs are non-profit.

it will also pay for national expenses.

and it will be a wealth transfer from a lot of FAs to a relatively small number of vocal and most likely senior ones that will run the union at DL, and ensure that their interests are met before thousands of other DL FAs.

 

[Kev3188]

 

[700UW]

So is this your new theme?

Pretty lame attempt and dues have been explained to the real, current and active FAs, not to a guy who took the money that they bribed you to leave.

Nothing hidden about it.

 

[700UW]

Let's do a comparison:

Tom Buffenbarger earned a bit over $200,000 for 750,000 IAM members.

Richard Anderson earned $14,000,000 plus for 80,000 employees.

Enough said.