Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

Indeed.

The difference is that most people recognize it as the sh*tty T/A at one carrier that it is, whereas most anti-labor foamers will use it to describe organized labor in it's entirety.

and yet that TA was discussed over and over here.

and you were one of the ones who spoke out against it, do I recall correctly?

and yet the IAM put its seal on it and passed it off.. and this is what we have.

how is any DL FA to be assured that the IAM won't do the same thing all over again - and justify it as the desire of the membership - the majority anyway. Who cares about the minority that lost their jobs? The IAM was supposed to represent them - but they completely failed thousands of their own members.

 

[Kev3188]

The difference is that most people recognize it as the sh*tty T/A at one carrier that it is, whereas most anti-labor foamers will use it to describe organized labor in it's entirety.

 

[WorldTraveler]

and yet not only do DL ACS people make more than their peers at AA and UA but DL FAs did better in BK than their peers at NW.

when all of those TAs at all of those other carriers are inferior to DL, it isn't just one bad TA, Kevin

 

[townpete]

and yet that TA was discussed over and over here.

and you were one of the ones who spoke out against it, do I recall correctly?

and yet the IAM put its seal on it and passed it off.. and this is what we have.

how is any DL FA to be assured that the IAM won't do the same thing all over again - and justify it as the desire of the membership - the majority anyway. Who cares about the minority that lost their jobs? The IAM was supposed to represent them - but they completely failed thousands of their own members.

 
That right there is the main reason to stay away from IAM like a bad STD. 

 

[robbedagain]

you cld not tell the truth if the truth slapped you in your face    youre the one who cannot refute the FACTS that numerous posters posted on here   so don't go there unless youre more than willing to own or man up to the facts that others posted to which you cannot refute

 

[robbedagain]

tell me pete  if the IAM is so dam bad as you claim,  then why did the IAM refuse to endorse the US/AA merger until the Sect 6 talks were done?  why did the PMUS FSA get a better and far improved deal     Something to think about there.    I do admit the IAM contract is bad and I admit they should never have brought it out let alone agree to it  but it is something those folks have to live with and they will learn from that mistake the  next time around.   As far as DL   I hope and wish to see as many of them folks go union       I  respect them whether they go union or not.     The IAM is not as bad as you make em out to be.    But every company  union or not will always have their corkers   The Good   The Bad and The Ugly

 

[WorldTraveler]

robbed,
your response highlights precisely why you are perceived as nothing but a yapping lap dog that will do anything to maintain the loyalties of 700 who came to bat for you against US

Just because US treated you so poorly and 700 came to your rescue doesn't change how bad they have done for thousands of their dues paying members.

I'm glad he helped you but it doesn't change that there is overwhelming evidence that the IAM has overwhelmingly failed its members not only at NW compared to DL but also at UA.

feel free to keep standing up for 700 and the IAM.

the evidence is overwhelmingly against them.

yes, it is not only as bad as what has been said here, but it is actually worse.

 

[robbedagain]

no you are completely wrong.. as usual    you could not and most likely will never be able to give FACTS as you say you do   700 did more than help me and that is all part of solidarity    We are guaranteed wage increases thru 2017   Cannot say the same about DL as they can change at any time for any reason they see fit  

 

[townpete]

tell me pete  if the IAM is so dam bad as you claim,  then why did the IAM refuse to endorse the US/AA merger until the Sect 6 talks were done?  why did the PMUS FSA get a better and far improved deal     Something to think about there.    I do admit the IAM contract is bad and I admit they should never have brought it out let alone agree to it  but it is something those folks have to live with and they will learn from that mistake the  next time around.   As far as DL   I hope and wish to see as many of them folks go union       I  respect them whether they go union or not.     The IAM is not as bad as you make em out to be.    But every company  union or not will always have their corkers   The Good   The Bad and The Ugly

 
Seriously? Could you be anymore contradictory? 
 
The IAM is not as bad as you make em out to be. 
Im sure those 1,150 people would take serious issue that statement.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no you are completely wrong.. as usual    you could not and most likely will never be able to give FACTS as you say you do   700 did more than help me and that is all part of solidarity    We are guaranteed wage increases thru 2017   Cannot say the same about DL as they can change at any time for any reason they see fit

robbed
we all get that you are 700's lap dog because he came to save your bacon from US.

the facts are there.

We realize you are more into emotions than facts but how about you have someone who can understand it to help you look at the data from the Airline Data Project of MIT.

Unless you would now like to argue that DL has paid off the DOT to manipulate the data, it is all there for all of the world to see.

 

[robbedagain]

well pete  tell that to the AA folks who despise the TWU and have repeatedly stated to me and a few of my fellow coworkers they'll take IAM over any other any day  Hell the 1150 plus minus give or take KNEW what they were getting when they voted in that contract    All they had to do was vote NO and shoot it down.   They all at both carriers voted for the money instead of reading the entire contract.     Then at PMUS the IAM refused to endorse the AA merger until the PMUS got a deal  and they held on despite the facts   It went to NMB who refused to release the IAM groups at PMUS to a 30 day cooling off period.   In the end PMUS we got a far better improved contract  wage increases thru 2017   plus scope enhancements along with other enhancements   CANNOT SAY THE SAME ABOUT DL
 
WT  I am not anyone's lapdog    If anyone is a lap dog its you   you spew more BS than a cow taking a crap    700 helped my case move fast forward and I now know a lot more  just cant say anything  even if I want to.    700 has been in numerous positions and knows a hell of lot of peeps    youre nothing more than a poster child who took the dough and flew from dl for whatever reasons     nope not emotional w my facts   too bad youre to blind to see facts for itself     We have a scope enhancement even without counting AA    We also insourced more work even as DL outsourced work at various locations   Youre too dam blind to see that   and youre nothing more than a DL suck up mgmt.    I guess its true when they say mgmt. sticks together  they really stick together and don't give a dam about the real workers.

 

[Kev3188]

Robbed--You know he's just trying to bait you, right?

 

[WorldTraveler]

no one is baiting anyone, Kevin.

I am dealing in the facts which have been notably absent from this board. You have repeatedly spoken the complete opposite of what has taken place.

You can shut this board down, kick me off of it with the consequences, or deal with the facts that the IAM's track record compared to DL is the opposite of what you have said.

There are 20K employees who will make an irrevocable decision to participate in a union.

I am determined to make sure the truth is spoken.

and the fact that you have made incorrect statements for years means that your statements are the ones that are in my crosshairs.

 

[Kev3188]

All of that would imply that I find you either relevant or a person of any character.

The on,y "consequence" of you leaving this site, would be the possibility of people returning and participating. We should be so lucky.

Meanwhile, 12000 DL F/A s have decided that the status quo isn t working.

Try and control your compulsions, won't you?

 

[townpete]

well pete  tell that to the AA folks who despise the TWU and have repeatedly stated to me and a few of my fellow coworkers they'll take IAM over any other any day  Hell the 1150 plus minus give or take KNEW what they were getting when they voted in that contract    All they had to do was vote NO and shoot it down.   They all at both carriers voted for the money instead of reading the entire contract.     Then at PMUS the IAM refused to endorse the AA merger until the PMUS got a deal  and they held on despite the facts   It went to NMB who refused to release the IAM groups at PMUS to a 30 day cooling off period.   In the end PMUS we got a far better improved contract  wage increases thru 2017   plus scope enhancements along with other enhancements   CANNOT SAY THE SAME ABOUT DL
 
WT  I am not anyone's lapdog    If anyone is a lap dog its you   you spew more BS than a cow taking a crap    700 helped my case move fast forward and I now know a lot more  just cant say anything  even if I want to.    700 has been in numerous positions and knows a hell of lot of peeps    youre nothing more than a poster child who took the dough and flew from dl for whatever reasons     nope not emotional w my facts   too bad youre to blind to see facts for itself     We have a scope enhancement even without counting AA    We also insourced more work even as DL outsourced work at various locations   Youre too dam blind to see that   and youre nothing more than a DL suck up mgmt.    I guess its true when they say mgmt. sticks together  they really stick together and don't give a dam about the real workers.

 
 
So maybe all the union fluff and promises should come with some type of fine print?