Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

•Only 13% of IAM dues stays at the local level. Fully 87% of dues goes to the District and Grand Lodge to fund politicians and campaigns such as the very expensive one currently being bankrolled to squeeze $14 million in annual dues from Delta Flight Attendants.

 

[Kev3188]

from WADFA page:
 
IAM Comes with Baggage

Contributor Lance Robinson put together this eye-popping list of baggage that comes along with the IAM. Don't expect to hear any of this at an IAM road show!

• Ah yes, a retired F/A.
  
  

  • Part and parcel with IAM comes their non-negotiable IAM Constitution which includes "Improper Conduct of a Member" where members can be tried by the union for offenses such as speaking out against the union, not following officers' orders or trying to decertify the union. There are 10 pages of consequences. These union rules can be changed at any time by the Union.

  There's no shortage of people that have "spoken out against the union" (myself included), yet miraculously, we're all still here. Imagine that.
  
  

  • The latest IAM FA contract stipulates 1% raise per year for the next three years. It took almost seven years to negotiate that. The industry average annual raise from 2007-2015 has been 1.99% - nearly double the amount negotiated by IAM. Delta's average annual raise during the same period was 3.44% - more than triple the amount negotiated by IAM!
  • Union dues for IAM's largest group of FAs have increased 40% since 2010. Their pay has NOT increased during this time period.
  • IAM's largest group of Flight Attendants is currently seeking mediation in an attempt to get a contract.

  Sh*tty NC?
  
  

  • American Airlines put all TWA Flight Attendants at the bottom of their seniority list. These TWA Flight Attendants were IAM represented at the time.

  Does anyone see us being in TW's shoes any time soon?
  
  BTW, what LPP's do you have right now?
  
  

  • What Delta Flight Attendants have now is NOT guaranteed in any way, shape or form.

  Well, Lance got one right...
  
  

  • Every current and recent IAM Flight Attendant contract has full-month reserve.

  Who says a DL one would? If you guys want reserve, it'll be in there. If you want A days, it'll be there. Up to you, not the F/A's at EV or Commutair.
  
  

  • The latest IAM Flight Attendant contract does NOT contain the words "profit sharing".
  • The two IAM contracts for Flight Attendants working for U.S. companies (CommutAirand ExpressJet have their company's insurance and benefits requirements in two or three sentences with NO MENTION of coverage, deductibles, out-of-pocket maximums or prescriptions.

  See above.
  
  

  • No Flight Attendant has ever negotiated to be a part of the IAM Pension Plan; yet dues-paying Flight Attendants pay for the pensions of the other Machinists who successfully negotiated it years ago.
  • Only 13% of IAM dues stays at the local level. Fully 87% of dues goes to the District and Grand Lodge to fund politicians and campaigns such as the very expensive one currently being bankrolled to squeeze $14 million in annual dues from Delta Flight Attendants.

  Seems high. Source?
  
  

  • Every IAM contract has a Union Security and Dues Check Off section. In short, if you don't pay your dues, the company is REQUIRED to terminate you within a few days.

  Anyone ever ask Jose how his plan for dues check off went with PFAA?
  

  • Current IAM Flight Attendant contracts pay 50% for deadheading and have NO hourly duty rigs (e.g. 1 for 2) or behind-the-door rest minimums.

  See earlier...

 

[WorldTraveler]

It isn't a huge surprise that the IAM lost not only the FIVE representation elections at DL but were voted on with the merger but also representation of the NW mechanics years before DL ever came on the scene.
 
It has nothing to do with DL. NW was a horrible choice even for NW employees. 
 
 
 
 
 

 
•Only 13% of IAM dues stays at the local level. Fully 87% of dues goes to the District and Grand Lodge to fund politicians and campaigns such as the very expensive one currently being bankrolled to squeeze $14 million in annual dues from Delta Flight Attendants.

•No Flight Attendant has ever negotiated to be a part of the IAM Pension Plan; yet dues-paying Flight Attendants pay for the pensions of the other Machinists who successfully negotiated it years ago.
 
 
A higher percentage of NW employees lost their jobs between 9/11 and the DL merger than did DL employees.
 
DL FAs on average made more before, during, and after BK than their peers at NW.

 

[topDawg]

 
 
 
A higher percentage of NW employees lost their jobs between 9/11 and the DL merger than did DL employees.
 
 

You just keep whipping this out and it still keeps being so amazingly stupid it isn't funny. 
 
Once again you KEEP pissing on people like ME who got f**ked over during 7.5 and the Leo years just to win your stupid pissing contests. 
 
Again, woohoo. NW laid off more people during that times because Delta already been bending its employees over many years before. Someone send Ron Allen and Leo Mullen a cookie because I took it in the shorts 10 years before Kev. I should clearly be thankful and happy about that. 

 

[Kev3188]

Exactly.

To say nothing of focusing on using percentages instead of total numbers and/or ignoring the disparity in size(s).

But we can't let that get in the way of the narrative now, can we? 🙄

 

[WorldTraveler]

You just keep whipping this out and it still keeps being so amazingly stupid it isn't funny. 
 
Once again you KEEP pissing on people like ME who got f**ked over during 7.5 and the Leo years just to win your stupid pissing contests. 
 
Again, woohoo. NW laid off more people during that times because Delta already been bending its employees over many years before. Someone send Ron Allen and Leo Mullen a cookie because I took it in the shorts 10 years before Kev. I should clearly be thankful and happy about that.

you know what?

I "took it in the shorts" during 7.5 too.

but I figured out how to overcome what was done to me and ended up better off a year after 7.5 than I did before.

If Ron Allen and Leo Mullen succeeded at wounding you for the rest of your career and leaving you a bitter man, then it isn't they who won. 
 

Exactly.

To say nothing of focusing on using percentages instead of total numbers and/or ignoring the disparity in size(s).

But we can't let that get in the way of the narrative now, can we? 🙄

uh.... we know math is not your strongest point but percentages ARE the appropriate way to compare two different sized organizations.

you do realize that PERCENTAGEs are the way representation votes are won, not raw numbers, don't you?

 

[700UW]

 

[diamondcutter]

It isn't a huge surprise that the IAM lost not only the FIVE representation elections at DL but were voted on with the merger but also representation of the NW mechanics years before DL ever came on the scene.
 
It has nothing to do with DL. NW was a horrible choice even for NW employees. 
 
 
 Of course you don't have to worry , your payed by the donations from your church!! Bet those same people would would change their donation if they knew how you behave and treat others on this board!
 
 

No Flight Attendant has ever negotiated to be a part of the IAM Pension Plan; yet dues-paying Flight Attendants pay for the pensions of the other Machinists who successfully negotiated it years ago.
 
 
A higher percentage of NW employees lost their jobs between 9/11 and the DL merger than did DL employees.
 
DL FAs on average made more before, during, and after BK than their peers at NW.

 

[700UW]

 

[BABABOOY]

 

[BABABOOY]

 

[Kev3188]

 
 Did you know they've consistently "delivered" for WN agents?

 

[700UW]

 

[townpete]

 
 
Not that you would care, but you should know above said quote was never made by Lincoln.
 
And even if he did, it had nothing to do with Labor Unions. 
 
What he actually said was: "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights."
http://books.google.com/books?id=NCOEYJ0q-DUC&lpg=PP1&ots=hATBWAzVHF&dq=&pg=PA77#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[700UW]

Where does it say Union?
 
It doesnt.