Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[700UW]

There are rules, and procedures in the CBA, the members ratified it.
 
So once again, what protections does DL ACS have?
 
That would be NONE!
 
How was it fair that in 2013 Profit Sharing cut the payout bu 33% for the non-union people while ALPA negotiated the reduction and a 20% pay increase?
 
Whats is DL going to do when the pilots negotiate elimination of PS in lieu of a 35% raise to the non-union folks?

History showed us what they did, they cut it!

 

[WorldTraveler]

and given that the rules and processes in UA"s CBAs have been beat by DL which doesn't have any, then the question is obvious about what value the CBA had.

and it also raises the question of when the IAM will put its rubber stamp on yet another democratic effort by the majority to get rid of the minority.

DL hasn't allowed the majority to rape the minority because the minority will benefit but that is exactly what the IAM allowed.

 

[700UW]

Once again, what protections does DL ACS have in regards to their work?
 
How many times do I have you ask you?
 
So at DL at ALPA does Majority rule in votes?
 
How has that worked out for ALPA?

 

[WorldTraveler]

and why can't you answer what value the supposed protections provided to UA people that were better than what DL people had without them?

and the answer is the UA people got screwed with a contract the IAM put its name on.

DL people did better without the IAM and their "protections" than UA people got with the IAM.

that's a fact - as hard as it is for you to accept.

 

[700UW]

They have protected stations, does DL?
 
They have a no layoff clause, does DL?
 
They have clear cut procedures for a downsizing and the ability to keep the work, does DL?
 
DL ACS have ZERO protection, ask Kevin.

 

[Kev3188]

Did you know that DL employees will elect their own peers to represent them?

Not UA people. Not the 141Dl team.

DL employees acting on behalf of ofellow DL employees.

Destination Up.

 

[WorldTraveler]

well, duh.

but if DL people are going to make the decisions and are smarter than throwing their own people under the bus, then why does the IAM need to collect anything?

and WHO REALLY says that DL employees couldn't do the same thing to their peers? If the IAM allowed it to happen at UA, what is to say it can't happen at DL?

 

[700UW]

Apples and oranges.
 
UA was hurting financially, DL wasnt and isnt.
 
For the FOURTH time, what scope, and city protections does Kevin and his coworkers have at DL?
 
Why are lower paid and no benefited employees RR at DL approaching 40% of the ACS workforce, with a goal of 50% of the workforce being paid under $14 an hour with one raise?
 
Why are DGS and other vendors working side by side with DL mainline employees doing their work for less than half DL pay?

 

[WorldTraveler]

nonsense.

UA has been out of BK for years....

and it still begs the question regarding what good a union does if the company can push their cuts in or out of BK.

DL could close Kev's station yesterday if they wanted to. They haven't.

that speaks far louder than the protections that the IAM could have asked for from UA but all got swept out in the interests of senior employees who cashed out at the expense of junior employees.

Actions speak far louder than words.. and DL's actions trump those of UA's and the protection that the IAM supposedly provided.

 

[700UW]

Lets try this for the fifth time:

What station protection and job protection does Kevin and his fellow ACS coworkers from DL?
 
Once again you fail to answer about RR and it being 40% of the workforce, with a goal of 50% and you fail to answer in regard to why does DL have vendors doing mainline work along side of mainline employees?
 
Come on World Fraudster, answer, or is it not on your spreadsheet?
 

 

[WorldTraveler]

Kevin has proven protection, regardless of what exists on a CBA.

UA and AA have walked all over their CBAs to cut stations.

argue the power of paper all you want but all you do is prove why the union movement is in complete decline and hasn't been able to reverse it while they hold onto outdated ideas that don't work compared to non-union solutions.

 

[700UW]

Kevin has proven protection, regardless of what exists on a CBA.

UA and AA have walked all over their CBAs to cut stations.

argue the power of paper all you want but all you do is prove why the union movement is in complete decline and hasn't been able to reverse it while they hold onto outdated ideas that don't work compared to non-union solutions.

AA took Chapter 11 do to that and so did UA and UA was under performing for years that is why they are in the situation they are in now.
 
Once again, please show the board what proven protection Kevin and his ACS coworkers have.
 
Keep dodging the question, show us facts World Fraudster.

This is request number six to provide what protections they have.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, AA cut salaries outside of BK. were you asleep in 2003.

of course UA was underperforming... but if a company can underperform even relative to one airline, what value is a union if they melt under mgmt.'s demands?

none.

Kev and his station peers should have been gone years ago if DL had treated its employees anywhere close to what AA or UA did with their employees under CBAs.

 

[700UW]

Seventh time, what protections does Kevin and his ACS coworkers have?

 

[BABABOOY]