Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[Kev3188]

Since you believe you have no job protections, Kev, I will let ATG know that you too want to be a martyr

Go right ahead. And they will remind you that discussing one's working conditions is completely permissible under federal law.


 

come on, not cool not funny

But also not unexpected...

 

[topDawg]

Only problem with the graphic is that the TP is clean which means the IAM couldn't have touched it

Since you believe you have no job protections, Kev, I will let ATG know that you too want to be a martyr

It is great that Lorenzo got the blame for EA but that still doesn't explain half of the job cuts under the IAM at multiple airlines

If BK is beyond what the IAM can stop what good is the IAM?

Making threats again eh? 
 
 
oh and what good is the IAM outside of BK? well when a bean counter comes up with 7.5 the company can't just do what they would like. Delta can and did. 

 

[Kev3188]

Balance is good.

 

[southwind]

come on, not cool not funny

Agreed! While I don't agree with union representation, I do agree with the right to seek it, if so inclined. Just don't understand what people see in the IAM, when there are much better unions out there! Guess some people believe any union representation, will do for them.

Oh, and by the way, Eastern was going down long before Lorenzo showed up!

 

[robbedagain]

Southwind while i agree w u in ur above post i see the IAM as the better alternative to rep but i dont knw why the FAs wldnt want say AFA I see the IAM as the better union for representation in the airline vs bein a non union at will employee or even being in twu or ibt. yes the IAM has its ups n downs but i do think n believe theyre the better alternative rather than being non union or being in twu or ibt just my own opin

 

[WorldTraveler]

There is no threat and pointing out that someone sees no value in what they have is absolutely fair

Kev and others came to DL convinced that the contentious PmNW way was better where it took a union to constantly fight for your job

If kev or others want that system and believe that DL doesn't know what the right balance is for his job then why should everyone else have to put up with a union while Kev learns a valuable lesson?

Kev could not have been both right that DL pays its employees a premium and then think a union can do better. Only a candy store mentality would result in a belief that one is better off now and will be in the future

some people's idealism is detached from reality

 

[southwind]

Southwind while i agree w u in ur above post i see the IAM as the better alternative to rep but i dont knw why the FAs wldnt want say AFA I see the IAM as the better union for representation in the airline vs bein a non union at will employee or even being in twu or ibt. yes the IAM has its ups n downs but i do think n believe theyre the better alternative rather than being non union or being in twu or ibt just my own opin

Personally, I believe each group should have their own union and not all represented by the same union.....that was part of the reason behind Easterns demise!

If ever "Forced" to join a union, there would be only one that would interest me but, then again, I don't believe you should be "Forced" to join a union , if the place of employment is union represented, should be a choice!

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Making threats again eh? 

I see that the troll has threatened Kev's job yet again. Wanting to "make him a martyr"?

When is somebody (moderator) going to put an end to this guys crap. This has to be the 5th or 6th time he has threatened someone on this forum.

 

[jcw]

some people's idealism is detached from reality

Talking about yourself again

 

[Kev3188]

Agreed! While I don't agree with union representation, I do agree with the right to seek it, if so inclined. Just don't understand what people see in the IAM, when there are much better unions out there! Guess some people believe any union representation, will do for them.

Who would you suggest?
 

Oh, and by the way, Eastern was going down long before Lorenzo showed up!

True.

And there are a whole host of reasons why EA failed. The idea that the IAM somehow single-handedly caused it at best inaccurate...
 
 

There is no threat and pointing out that someone sees no value in what they have is absolutely fair

Kev and others came to DL convinced that the contentious PmNW way was better where it took a union to constantly fight for your job

If kev or others want that system and believe that DL doesn't know what the right balance is for his job then why should everyone else have to put up with a union while Kev learns a valuable lesson?

Kev could not have been both right that DL pays its employees a premium and then think a union can do better. Only a candy store mentality would result in a belief that one is better off now and will be in the future

some people's idealism is detached from reality

Nice attempt at a backpedal. You could at least have the conviction to own what you write. Yes, it was a threat-even if you see it as merely an implicit one.

Not sure what this infatuation with a culture of tattling is, anyway. It's really foreign to most people I know. One nice thing about representation is that sort of thing dies on the vine.

But again; go right ahead and call if you feel you need to. Wouldn't be the first time.

BTW, I can't help but notice the attempts at infantilism with the idea that people need to be "taught a lesson," and the continued use of the term "candy store."

P.S. In my experience, day to day labor relations at NW weren't "contentious" at all. In fact, they were much more positive and productive all around. Not sure how someone that was never there can effectively weigh in on that, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised that they've tried.

 

[Kev3188]

Personally, I believe each group should have their own union and not all represented by the same union.....that was part of the reason behind Easterns demise!

That's not necessarily a bad idea. Unfortunately the climate in America has conditioned people to look out for their own (group's) interest. That makes divide-and-conquer that much easier for a company.

 

[700UW]

Southwind.
 
You really need to watch the documentary I posted about EA and what happened, you might change your tune.
 
Do you realize the IAM, ALPA and the TWU come up with cost savings that saved EA before?
 
You do realize the IAM was not the only union to go on strike at EA?
 
The pilots represented by ALPA and the FAs represented by TWU also went out on strike?
 
You do realize the court removed Lorenzo from EA and the US Government banned him from life from every having to do anything with an airline?
 
But your dislike of unions aside for a bit and please watch the documentary, you will find it enlightening.
 
I lived it, my Uncle was a lead inspector at EA for 29 years at JFK and LGA.
 
I reached out to Baba, and he couldnt care less, I hope you are different.

 

[southwind]

Who would you suggest? True.And there are a whole host of reasons why EA failed. The idea that the IAM somehow single-handedly caused it at best inaccurate...  Nice attempt at a backpedal. You could at least have the conviction to own what you write. Yes, it was a threat-even if you see it as merely an implicit one.Not sure what this infatuation with a culture of tattling is, anyway. It's really foreign to most people I know. One nice thing about representation is that sort of thing dies on the vine.But again; go right ahead and call if you feel you need to. Wouldn't be the first time.BTW, I can't help but notice the attempts at infantilism with the idea that people need to be "taught a lesson," and the continued use of the term "candy store."P.S. In my experience, day to day labor relations at NW weren't "contentious" at all. In fact, they were much more positive and productive all around. Not sure how someone that was never there can effectively weigh in on that, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised that they've tried.

Couldn't begin to tell you what other union alternatives there might be, can only say, that from what I know, the IAM's track record is nothing to boast about.

No one ever said Easterns demise was directly placed on the IAM's shoulders, though they were "ONE" of the "MAJOR" contributing players!

 

[southwind]

Southwind.
 
You really need to watch the documentary I posted about EA and what happened, you might change your tune.
 
Do you realize the IAM, ALPA and the TWU come up with cost savings that saved EA before?
 
You do realize the IAM was not the only union to go on strike at EA?
 
The pilots represented by ALPA and the FAs represented by TWU also went out on strike?
 
You do realize the court removed Lorenzo from EA and the US Government banned him from life from every having to do anything with an airline?
 
But your dislike of unions aside for a bit and please watch the documentary, you will find it enlightening.
 
I lived it, my Uncle was a lead inspector at EA for 29 years at JFK and LGA.
 
I reached out to Baba, and he couldnt care less, I hope you are different.

And how are the rainbows and unicorns doing, in your perfect, never the culprit, union world today?

 

[700UW]

Typical, I wasted my time.

The IAM has more members in the airline than any other airlines.
 
The track record is just fine.
 
Every union has had its problems, no union was immune to the effects of the economy since deregulation.
 
Do you realize how many airlines the IAM help save from going out of business?