Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

I didn't say that a union shouldn't stand up for its members.

I have said that you and others don't have the common sense to realize that the little bit that DL pilots lost as a result of AZ' inclusion in the JV has been and will continue to be more than made up by DL's growth elsewhere.

You and unionistas like you spend way too much time trying to enforce single lines of a contract to be able to see the big picture.

It is precisely your pharisaical approach to contract enforcement that left US with the highest amount of maintenance outsourcing even while US met the letter of the contract - and sent out hundreds of millions of dollars of maintenance in the process.

When contracts are written to focus on a single statistic that gives the company no flexibility to redeploy assets and grow without violating a single line in a contract, then labor gets hurt = whether you can admit it or not.

Most DL employees are smart enough to realize that the contentious labor-mgmt. environment that has existed at so many airlines is not welcome at DL and they don't want to go down that path.

 

[700UW]

You are truly just stupid. Delta agreed to every single line in that contract.

 

[WorldTraveler]

yes, I get that.

what you can't seem to grasp is that Dl missed in one measurement because partner AF made a strategic decision to buy into AZ and as part of the process DL missed a measurement that was established before.

DL didn't cut its flying and in fact has grown it. The total of flying that was included in the JV grew because of adding AZ to it.

you are the complete embodiment of demanding enforcement of the letter of the law while the company takes away jobs because it wasn't including in the fine print - and that is exactly what UA did with the IAM ramper contract. and that is exactly what US did in outsourcing the highest amount of maintenance work among legacy carriers while you celebrate how much airframe maintenance US does in house.

Unions have repeatedly lost jobs because there are plenty of mgmt. teams that will enforce a contract to the letter while running completely over their own people and the union in the process.

 

[700UW]

Truly ignorant you are.

Like I said look up and understand what a D.F.R. means.

 

[700UW]

Hey Meto,
 
Since you are a pilot, is it ok for Delta to violate your Collective Bargaining Agreement, like WT says its just fine and you will be punished for your union filing a grievance and enforcing your CBA?

 

[700UW]

 

[700UW]

https://youtu.be/pPuRpPwIXjo

 

[WorldTraveler]

Jesus did indeed speak those words.

thank you for sharing them.

 

[Kev3188]

https://youtu.be/pPuRpPwIXjo

Love it.

"Yes."

So simple, so profound.

 

[700UW]

MORE MISLEADING INFO RESEARCHED:
 
Remember this chart (on bottom) that Delta sent to our homes? A learned colleague calculated the amount you could accumulate if you received the same 401k match benefit the pilots have negotiated contractually for their retirement. This is over the same 35 year period Delta used and assumes the same 9% return Delta used. He based it on an 85 hour month. He used a new hire's hourly rate and stepped it up for 12 yrs. The remaining 23 years he used our top-of-scale hourly rate. The question Delta asks on their flyer is, "Which of these options sounds better to you?"
 

Frankly, the numbers speak for themselves, obviously most employees would prefer the $1,284,795.00 in their 401k vs. the $447,428.00 Delta estimates. There were many variables and assumptions Delta used and he matched those in the chart he presents on the top.
 
Apples to Apples.
Alan Winters

 

 
 

 

[700UW]

As you know, for the past few years the IAM has supported a historic organizing drive by Delta Flight Attendants. This campaign offered the opportunity to participate in an election to determine whether you would be represented by a strong union and protected by an industry leading contract or continue to be employees serving at the whim of the company.
 
We were heartened by the outpouring of support for an election, as well as the sense of urgency among thousands of Flight Attendants who believed that the time to have a voice in their professional future had arrived at last. For that reason, as soon as we received what was believed to be a substantial majority of authorization cards from the Flight Attendant group we filed the cards with the National Mediation Board (NMB) in Washington, D.C., seeking an election. Unfortunately, we have recently discovered that a number of the cards submitted to us contain insufficient information or questionable signatures.
 
By our calculation, the number of questionable cards makes our showing of interest borderline. However, rather than waiting months for a determination by the NMB, we believe the best course of action is to avoid further delay and withdraw our current application, renew our organizing drive and file again twelve months from the date of the dismissal of our application, as is permitted by law.
 
We apologize to all of you for this delay but under the circumstances it is the only way to correct this unfortunate situation while continuing our drive to obtain the economic justice Flight Attendants deserve.
 

 

[metopower]

Borderline? Just as I've been hearing....just not there......

 

[townpete]

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NOPE!​

 

[eolesen]

I'm curious how they thought there were enough cards, and then there weren't... Seems a bit amateurish.

 

[townpete]

I'm curious how they thought there were enough cards, and then there weren't... Seems a bit amateurish.

 
 
They were pretty arrogant that they had a "winning hand" at over 60% signed cards.
 
Turns out they went all in......and then folded. lol