Grievances on Seniority Boarding

[CV580ETOPS]

Are you serious? You are obviously NOT a commuter or are on the west side. Some of our High commuting cities are insane when it comes to trying to get to and from work. Everyone always thinks the "West". There are Hundreds and hundreds that commute out of every city in Florida alone. Regardless of the company Terminating the travel benefits tomorrow it was an agreed upon item in OUR contract. What do you think would happen if the company cancelled or altered the travel policy in a severe way? The whole EAST operation would be shut down baby. NOBODY would get to work.

The whole East operation would shut down??? YGTBSM.....but then again that could be a good thing considering how miserable every seems to be who still works there. <_< Either way I think you've been standing out in the 'Vegas sun just a bit too long.

 

[Career Reserve]

AWA ALPA CBA 26.O.1:

"During the term of this Agreement, the Company shall not cap the number of times Pilots and their eligible dependents may utilize their space available travel privileges, reduce Pilots' relative boarding priority with respect to other employee groups, or otherwise substantially reduce this underlying benefit."

(bold printed added by me)

it is saying with "respect to other employee "groups" you can't substantially weaken this benefit.
For example as a group of mechanics or a group of flight attendants.
DOH is modus operandi; inclusive of everyone, not just one "group".

 

[hulagirl]

While that may be true an agreement is an agreement. The agreement is being broken. So thats just OK? Am I missing something here? Why not just change everything else we negotiate whenever management wants to.

This is the issue in a nutshell: both groups have the topic in their contracts, therefore, any change would violate one or the other contracts. In this case, it may be both. If the company wants to start unilaterally changing contracts, and we all start this ridiculous bickering between ourselves, we are in trouble. The company needs to get our contracts settled if they want change. Period.
I, for one, do not take the company's actions lightly. If they can change any section of either contract, they need to be grieved by the unions!

 

[USCREW]

OMG GET OVER IT EV1!! BOTH SIDES MADE A COMPROMISE, WHO THE HECK CARES!

If you had to get to work by plane instead of your Yugo, you might care too. And if your are in a union that fought tooth and nail for every word that's negotiated, you wouldn't be so quick to bend over. 😉

 

[JMM]

I doubt that the West contract has any FCFS language. AFA66 had filed a grievance in the very beginning concerning our seniority integration. They wanted to change existing AFA practices concerning the merging of the two groups. So it's my opinion that this new grievance will be baseless as well.

Actually the west contract states something to the effect that the company will not change nonrev pass benefits, etc. They already did it once when they took the majority of our passes away .... no worries though our union will roll over and let the company do this too!

 

[USCREW]

This is the issue in a nutshell: both groups have the topic in their contracts,

Can anyone post the West's F/A contract language for travel?

 

[exB717Flyer]

it is saying with "respect to other employee "groups" you can't substantially weaken this benefit.
For example as a group of mechanics or a group of flight attendants.
DOH is modus operandi; inclusive of everyone, not just one "group".

Huh? AWA and USA are currently seperate groups with seperate CBA's.

 

[TheNewUSAirways]

Are you serious? You are obviously NOT a commuter or are on the west side. Some of our High commuting cities are insane when it comes to trying to get to and from work. Everyone always thinks the "West". There are Hundreds and hundreds that commute out of every city in Florida alone. Regardless of the company Terminating the travel benefits tomorrow it was an agreed upon item in OUR contract. What do you think would happen if the company cancelled or altered the travel policy in a severe way? The whole EAST operation would be shut down baby. NOBODY would get to work.

What do you mean everyone thinks "the west"? About the nly thing that is the same from the west is Cactus call sign and Shares.

And what do you mean things would Shut down if the travel policy were altered in a severe way? You were replying to my belief that commuters should not have a higher priority. Since do NOT have a higher priority currently, what makes you think things will be shut down if the travel policy were severely changd to not give him higher priority??

Yes, I realize that having a base shut down was not your chocie. But . commuting WAS a choice. And the majority of commuters are crew members, who have access to one thing that most employees do not: the jumpseat.

 

[lgwcalling]

Besides, most commuters are crew members, and they have one advantage the majority of employees do not have: access to the jumpseat.

I believe that the E-190s only have 2 Jumpseats (one for each working F/A). This could be very problematic in the very near future. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I also believe that a 3rd jumpseat is a possibility if the airline chooses to pay for this upgrade. Again, I'll defer to anyone out there with more information on this topic.

If this aircraft is going to be a large part of our fleet in the future, we might want to negotiate for a 3rd jumpseat.

Just throwing this out there. Any thoughts?

 

[USCREW]

I believe that the E-190s only have 2 Jumpseats (one for each working F/A). This could be very problematic in the very near future. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I also believe that a 3rd jumpseat is a possibility if the airline chooses to pay for this upgrade. Again, I'll defer to anyone out there with more information on this topic.

If this aircraft is going to be a large part of our fleet in the future, we might want to negotiate for a 3rd jumpseat.

Just throwing this out there. Any thoughts?

What would the purpose of the extra seat be for except to provide for commuters? The company isn't that nice! We would only need three F/As (and j/s) if the plane can carry 150+ passengers so I think that negotiating for an extra seat is an impossibility for us.

 

[PowerUpPowerDown]

I believe that the E-190s only have 2 Jumpseats (one for each working F/A). This could be very problematic in the very near future. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I also believe that a 3rd jumpseat is a possibility if the airline chooses to pay for this upgrade. Again, I'll defer to anyone out there with more information on this topic.

If this aircraft is going to be a large part of our fleet in the future, we might want to negotiate for a 3rd jumpseat.

Just throwing this out there. Any thoughts?

The 190 has a 3rd jumpseat

 

[l8rd8r]

Huh? AWA and USA are currently seperate groups with seperate CBA's.

Yes. We are still seperate.

 

[Career Reserve]

Huh? AWA and USA are currently seperate groups with seperate CBA's.

That is correct.

 

[PHLfa88]

What do you mean everyone thinks "the west"? About the nly thing that is the same from the west is Cactus call sign and Shares.

And what do you mean things would Shut down if the travel policy were altered in a severe way? You were replying to my belief that commuters should not have a higher priority. Since do NOT have a higher priority currently, what makes you think things will be shut down if the travel policy were severely changd to not give him higher priority??

Yes, I realize that having a base shut down was not your chocie. But . commuting WAS a choice. And the majority of commuters are crew members, who have access to one thing that most employees do not: the jumpseat.

Not When The Planes Are RJ'S!!!No F/A Jump Seat!

 

[Travelpro72]

What do you mean everyone thinks "the west"? About the nly thing that is the same from the west is Cactus call sign and Shares.

And what do you mean things would Shut down if the travel policy were altered in a severe way?
Listen Susie Snowflake I wasn't making comment about east vs. west. What I was saying is that when someone brings up "commuters" they usually think west coast commuters. There are MORE commuters from Florida than the west coast. As for the EAST operation shutting down, YES it would be very detrimental to the company for the fact that the percentage of f/a's that commute out of PHL alone is OVER 50%. Regardless of what anyone thinks, If EAST and WEST have stipulations in their collective bargaining agreements stating NO CHANGES and the company goes forward with changes anyway it is a violation of the agreement. SO, what to do? The company needs to get a little bit more proactive about getting these contracts negotiated FAIRLY! ! ! ! If they can just CHANGE an agreed upon item in the contract such as travel what stops them from changing something else? FYI even though the travel policy is a BENEFIT they agreed in writing to NOT CHANGE certain parts of the benefit!