Hey RV4 and Hopeful

does anyone know how many people at northwest are on lay-off???
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On 7/25/2003 5:28:13 PM flyers4 wrote:

hey buck you can change the name of the union but thats all you are changing. to make things better for ALL it takes active engaged union members. you guys complain all the time about the twu but have you ever tried to run for office and change the things you dont like??? how about coming to a union meeting? i just dont see amfa as the answer to all problems like you guys make them out to be. after all is said and done you will still have the same membership!!
change from the inside out is always hard but well worth it.

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You are correct. It does active engagement by the union members. I for one have not ever ran for office, but I have partixxxxred at the local level and have no desire to attempt that again, not under the TWU. I have been with AA for almost 20 years and have seen many attempts of members becoming involved only to ruled out of order. There is little or no democracy in the TWU. If you do not see a craft union as the answer then I believe your view is flawed concerning your profession. We are going to change from the inside, the membership is the union and we are the inside. We are changing the way we do business all across the country. More and more mechanic and related across the country, at one airline after another is leaving the socialistic umbrella of the AFL-CIO, where in our case the Fleet Service rules the union. As for my attending a union meeting, I am not allowed, for I am a non-member. Before you attempt to convince me to attend, you had better work on the rest of the membership. I believe it is just a matter of time and the TWU will no longer be around to take advantage of the mechanic craft and class. You are correct change is going to be well worth it, when the TWU is gone.
 
Read just a little aviation history and you will find that fueling an aircraft was the responsibility of a qualified mechanic. It takes training and time to understand the complex fuel systems of Modern Aircraft and it should NOT be left to someone who doesn't understand it's more than GASIN' UP YURE TRUCK!!! AMFA wanting to include fuelers could be an opening for a fueler to get an upgrade,additional training or MAYBE, just maybe get an A&P. MORE PAY, BETTER BENEFITS, MORE RESPOSIBILITY, and MAYBE, JUST MAYBE MORE RESPECT.
GO AMFA GO- 7000 cards... The count down to election continues!!!
 
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On 7/25/2003 7:37:55 PM Superside wrote:


Read just a little aviation history and you will find that fueling an aircraft was the responsibility of a qualified mechanic. It takes training and time to understand the complex fuel systems of Modern Aircraft and it should NOT be left to someone who doesn't understand it's more than GASIN' UP YURE TRUCK!!! AMFA wanting to include fuelers could be an opening for a fueler to get an upgrade,additional training or MAYBE, just maybe get an A&P. MORE PAY, BETTER BENEFITS, MORE RESPOSIBILITY, and MAYBE, JUST MAYBE MORE RESPECT.
       GO AMFA GO- 7000 cards... The count down to election continues!!!
 

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Superside, as was told to me. The "qualified mechnics" used to drive
the tractors to push airplanes off the gate. Now does it take "training and time" to "understand the complex" driveout vehicles. A big "qualified mechanic" job taken over by some ramp guy. Gee maybe they can an upgade and get back some of those big bucks they gave up to please the grease monkeys. They took less pay which aloud more for mechanics to try and keep the union together. If as you say TWU is controled by ramp agents then why would they give up so much to help mechs? They easily could have been om apar with you. They do the same job that "qualified mechanic" tractor drivers did.
 
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On 7/24/2003 11:22:46 PM bingobilly wrote:

I say again Amfa is supposed to be a craft union. They really think of themselves as MDs (ie mediacal doctors). At UA they are scratching for fuelers to join. Sounds like another union trying to grab all the members they can. For their dues of course. Is there room for rampers? Only if they pay dues I suppose.
I now wonder if Amfa would sell out the fuelers the way they accuse AA rampers of doing. From what I've heard the rampers gave and gave to placate the mechs. They even let them have their own negotiated contract. Did it do them any good? Here comes Amfa they want to negotiate as a craft. DAH!! Didn't the mechies do that in their seperate negotions with the co (AA) under the TWU deal. Yet they complain. The amfa people just think of themselves they are not a real union when they just think of themselves. Instead of raising the level of all brothers and sisters. Its just me me me me me
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You really are ignorant, aren't you? Fuelers ARE PART OF THE MECHANIC CLASS AND CRAFT as defined by the NATIONAL MEDIATION BOARD (that's the federal government) AMFA MUST represent all fuelers at every airline where they represent the mechanic CLASS AND CRAFT.
Do you get it? Or should I type it in PIG LATIN for you?
AMFA couldn't represent "rampers" even if they wanted to (which they don't)without first amending their own constitution which would require a vote of the membership.
Do you call what the TWU does "raising the level of all brothers and sisters"?
I call it lowering the level of some in order to raise others. I happen to be on the end that gets lowered. I'm guessing you're on the other end.
 
Save your breath, RUM! Jim Little, er, I mean bingobilly is a pro TWU desperate sort who knows the end is nearing for the traditional airline unions favoring the non mechanic craft and class.

He's obviously not a mechanic because he used the term "grease monkey" Why give him the time of day?

Little, sorry, I mean bingobilly would also have you believe that the fleet service actually know weight and balance because they go to a computer and hit a few keys and retrieve the information that Load Planner entered in the system.

By the way, Jim, oops, bingo, to this day I get at least 2 calls a week from outbound crews calling maintenance to inspect the nose gear after the highly skilled line cargo technicans broke the towbar. I don't see the flight crews asking the line cargo people to inspect the gear. Several weeks ago, the Line Cargo technician broke the tow lug clean off the aircraft. So we took a hefty delay swapping the aft tow lug to the front.

They have had pushbacks since the TWU handed them over in 1983. Not exactly quick learners, eh Jim? Sorry, silly me, bingobilly!